DOJ Approves VA/AS
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Kingairer
'Tiger Team' Member
no mater what someone is going to have a good argument they got screwed. It's either going to be the AS captain who has been there 25 years placed next to a captain at VX whose been there for 4 years. OR it will be the VX senior captain who is now going to be barely holding onto a line as an FO.
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
I highly doubt that there are going to be a line of senior Virgin pilots that want to grab those sweet, sweet Arctic day trips from the Alaska old timers. And even if there were, that's why any merger these days has fences etc. there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, lots of whining on the Internet, and in the end everything will work out and @Rocketman99 and @Cherokee_Cruiser will both keep drinking beer and flying jets
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
My understanding is that this is not "career expectations" as per the ALPA merger policy. After the UAL-US Airways potential merger of 2000, I believe (though someone can correct me if I'm wrong) that the sole definition of what a "career expectation" is relates to narrowbody versus widebody. So in this merger, both "career expectations" are the same: domestic mainline narrowbody aircraft.
For career expecation part, yes. But in the merger I went through before, an arbitrator is most likely going to favor Alaska in ratios for "bringing the more meaningful contract, pay raises, and staffing ratios" that benefit VX."
Or the most realistic scenario, something well inside the middle of those two extremes.
FYI, there are no 4 yr CAs here. I'll be 5 yrs in two more months and I'm not even close. Actually, I'd argue that for pax carriers, after Southwest and Alaska Airlines, Virgin America has the most senior upgrade. 5 yrs seniority can hold CA at just about every other pax airline. Spirit, Allegiant, Sun Country, Frontier, Delta, American (E190), jetBlue. And perhaps Hawaiian (?), Continental/United (?), not sure if these two have any CAs DOH 2011.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Ask some LAX based LUAL 777 pilots about those sweet, sweet fences.
Hawaiian is at about 7 years right now. Bid that came out today pushes that down to 6 maybe, effective by August.
ian
Well-Known Member
I was just trying to see how spun up I could get you...nice restraint
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ian
Well-Known Member
Fixed. Quick phone typing got meLack of sleep?
Kingairer
'Tiger Team' Member
No fences in the US and AA merger.
Kingairer
'Tiger Team' Member
Arbitrary numbers, but get ready to hear about that argument one way or the others. "I had XX years at Alaska and they put some guy who had X years at Virgin right next to me."
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
Guy satisfied with SLI: #1 on the merged list.
Remaining n pilots: somewhat to very dissatisfied.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
This upcoming merger, I'm not gonna be like last time around. No way, not worth it. All that screamin and beotching can't, won't, and doesn't change the outcome.
Plus, I'm also in the rare "good" spot that both relative and DOH methodologies put me at the same position. Both VX and AS had decent hiring sprees starting 2011/12 onwards. I'm not saying it would be relative or DOH, most likely a ratio method like XJ/9E/9L were. Still, I can't see myself losing much in the SLI.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
You're in front of those pilots by default, as they're constructive notice third listers.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Isn't AA/US a little bit of an exception because of the long time between merger announcement and actual merger close date? VX/AS announcement was April 4 and looks like the merger will close this month. If I had to guess, the snapshot date for SLI post-merger constructive pilots in DOH order will be April 4 onwards.
