Doing it Better

86BravoPapa

86BravoPapa

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What areas of knowledge and/or skills do you most often see deficiencies in, in the cockpit?

What do you wish you did better when flying and/or what aviation subjects do you feel having a deeper knowledge of would help you most in flying?
 
From the right seat I haven’t really seen anything, other than the occasional guy who doesn’t like to do things the standard way. That may be because I’m in a pretty senior base too. I’ll report back singing a different tune after I upgrade. I do hear a lot of guys complain about the quality of hand flying. I think having a deep knowledge of WX and aerodynamics helps the most with flying.
 
z987k said:
How to read a chart. Approach charts, SIDs and STARS. What it all means. Basic stuff you'd fail an IPC for.
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Yup yup, I had to teach a guy how to depart an uncontrolled airport (we always fly IFR at the airline).
 
z987k said:
How to read a chart. Approach charts, SIDs and STARS. What it all means. Basic stuff you'd fail an IPC for.
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I once had to explain to a Captain what an approach clearance enabled you to do...

We were established on a localizer, cleared for an ILS, and had joined just above the glideslope. "Ask for lower," he tells me...
 
NovemberEcho said:
I had to teach a supervisor how to give detailed holding instructions a few months ago. I saw him vectoring a guy all over and was like why not just put him in a hold? "Yeah, I don't know how." =|
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av8tr1 said:
The pilot probably couldn't remember either.
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I have seen pilots fly some VERY interesting holding patterns lol

I remember one guy at KPFN, gave him the instructions, and he starts yelling at me that that will put him in the way of the departures and flipping out. So I calmly key up "not if you do it right."
 
pete2800 said:
I once had to explain to a Captain what an approach clearance enabled you to do...

We were established on a localizer, cleared for an ILS, and had joined just above the glideslope. "Ask for lower," he tells me...
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Seriously? Did he just have one of those moments or did he genuinely not know?
 
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NovemberEcho said:
ATC supervisors don't control traffic very often, usually just enough to keep their proficiency time. It's generally accepted those who can't control, become supervisors.
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I guess it's good they keep the guys that can't do it away from the scope but you'd like to think supervisors are at the top of their game. Hence how they become supervisors...
 
86BravoPapa said:
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I guess it's good they keep the guys that can't do it away from the scope but you'd like to think supervisors are at the top of their game. Hence how they become supervisors...
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You don't get promoted into supervisor. You apply for it. That's why it's generally accepted (with exceptions of course) the guys who become supervisors couldn't handle it.
 
NovemberEcho said:
I have seen pilots fly some VERY interesting holding patterns lol

I remember one guy at KPFN, gave him the instructions, and he starts yelling at me that that will put him in the way of the departures and flipping out. So I calmly key up "not if you do it right."
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Scariest words you can say to me over the frequency. “Advise when ready to copy holding instructions”
 
NovemberEcho said:
You don't get promoted into supervisor. You apply for it. That's why it's generally accepted (with exceptions of course) the guys who become supervisors couldn't handle it.
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Seems like they should send them to a Class D in the middle of nowhere with hardly any daily traffic. Or just boot them entirely.
 
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