Does your FBO or flight school allow GoPro's & Drift style cameras?

Hacker15e said:
The reality is that it is easier for someone renting their airplanes out to simply say "no" or have restrictions on their use. It helps reduce the opportunity for stupid-pilot-tricks, as well as reduce the company's exposure to legal action if pilots do anything stupid in their airplanes.
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I think it's the latter, not the former.

Stupid pilots are going to do stupid pilot tricks regardless of whether or not there's a camera watching. Having a camera watching only increases the likelihood of Inspector Joe from the Feds finding out about it, and investigating.
 
I'd just be afraid of the Feds saying "Gimme!" If I had an incident.


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Hacker15e said:
Remember, the actual topic here is why a FBO or flight school might have a policy about using such cameras.

I don't think anyone is debating if cameras are a temptation for pilots, or the methodology for combating hazardous attitudes -- anyone who has their CFI knows that the FAA has pages and pages about how to do that.

The reality is that it is easier for someone renting their airplanes out to simply say "no" or have restrictions on their use. It helps reduce the opportunity for stupid-pilot-tricks, as well as reduce the company's exposure to legal action if pilots do anything stupid in their airplanes.
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Touché . I definitely agree with your point that for some FBO owners it would be easy and remove a lot of liability for them to just ban the use of video cameras on their aircraft. As auto thrust said as well, the legal liability is enough reason in itself to want to ban them.


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Derg said:
I'd just be afraid of the Feds saying "Gimme!" If I had an incident.
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Having had a few students with GoPro cameras, my thoughts.

1) So far, both students have been sufficiently distracted by their cinematographic duties that I have not felt they were actually paying attention to the lesson at hand.
2) I don't really want video of my instruction showing up on youtube without my blessing, and there really isn't much I can do to stop it. (I also do sightseeing/photo flights, and I obviously encourage pictures in that case.)
3) It results in more time being spent negotiating where they can put the camera, and me saying no most of the time, that could have been spent actually learning something, or me sitting on the couch at home.

At this point, I'm banning them for anyone with less than 100 hours with me. Yes, kind of an arbitrary number. But by that point, most will realize that the video they are taking is in fact not nearly as cool as they think it is.
 
I encourage them if they want to use them. I figure the more people who enjoy the experience, even if it is shooting some dumb video, then that's good for the industry. How many home videos over the years have great meaning to people even though they capture nothing very significant and aren't very well shot/produced/or edited? So what... let them enjoy and relive it and share it with others.

Managing the distraction is as simple as putting it somewhere out of the way, either on a strut or if in the cockpit then somewhere they dont get to tinker with it in flight.
 
Muff3n said:
Touché . I definitely agree with your point that for some FBO owners it would be easy and remove a lot of liability for them to just ban the use of video cameras on their aircraft. As auto thrust said as well, the legal liability is enough reason in itself to want to ban them.
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If you do your job properly, there should be no liability.
 
drunkenbeagle said:
Having had a few students with GoPro cameras, my thoughts.

1) So far, both students have been sufficiently distracted by their cinematographic duties that I have not felt they were actually paying attention to the lesson at hand.
2) I don't really want video of my instruction showing up on youtube without my blessing, and there really isn't much I can do to stop it. (I also do sightseeing/photo flights, and I obviously encourage pictures in that case.)
3) It results in more time being spent negotiating where they can put the camera, and me saying no most of the time, that could have been spent actually learning something, or me sitting on the couch at home.

At this point, I'm banning them for anyone with less than 100 hours with me. Yes, kind of an arbitrary number. But by that point, most will realize that the video they are taking is in fact not nearly as cool as they think it is.
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So glad I didn't have to deal with that in my CFI days.

All I had was the "why would I learn dead reckoning when I have this handheld GPS?"

"You're no fun"

Which is why I preferred my foreign students.

"Jump!"

"How high, Doug Durzi?"


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Derg said:
So glad I didn't have to deal with that in my CFI days.

All I had was the "why would I learn dead reckoning when I have this handheld GPS?"

"You're no fun"
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Because DR, pilotage, Kentucky Windage, and all that other stuff are orders of magnitude more fun than GPS. Now shut up and git offa mah lawn.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
If you do your job properly, there should be no liability.
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If who does their job? From the perspective of the FBO owner or the perspective of the pilot wanting to record?

I am sure you are aware, but in today's tort environment there are hardly ever any "for sure" situations. You could take all kinds of precautions as an FBO owner, legal contracts, having specific camera mount locations, etc. , but that doesn't ever mean if something crazy hit the fan and it could SOMEHOW be linked back to you allowing use of that camera a good lawyer could probably toast you, regardless of contracts or waivers or anything else. Heck, just defending yourself could be expensive, even if you weren't actually liable. That is why so many big corporations just settle out of court these days with these stupid frivolous lawsuits. It would just be cheaper to settle than fight it in the courts.


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Muff3n said:
If who does their job? From the perspective of the FBO owner or the perspective of the pilot wanting to record?

I am sure you are aware, but in today's tort environment there are hardly ever any "for sure" situations. You could take all kinds of precautions as an FBO owner, legal contracts, having specific camera mount locations, etc. , but that doesn't ever mean if something crazy hit the fan and it could SOMEHOW be linked back to you allowing use of that camera a good lawyer could probably toast you, regardless of contracts or waivers or anything else. Heck, just defending yourself could be expensive, even if you weren't actually liable. That is why so many big corporations just settle out of court these days with these stupid frivolous lawsuits. It would just be cheaper to settle than fight it in the courts.


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You're talking about law.

I'm talking about reality.

They are, as you are aware, different.

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If you're that worried about liability this is the wrong freaking business to be in. No wonder people quit flying after 5-10 hours of dual... booooooring.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
You're talking about law.

I'm talking about reality.

They are, as you are aware, different.

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How is what I said different from reality? Yes it addresses law, which directly goes with the subject at hand. Also the statement that I made is in fact the CURRENT state of our legal system. We live in a time full of lawsuits for everything. The aviation world isn't one that has somehow magically eluded the tort issues our country has.

And rframe, the liability issue I was talking about isn't going to keep me from flying, but the reality is we live in a world of lawsuits nowadays.


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rframe said:
If you're that worried about liability this is the wrong freaking business to be in. No wonder people quit flying after 5-10 hours of dual... booooooring.
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How did I ever get through primary training without a GoPro or G1000...


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Revival here: anyone with techniques on how to best mount a go-pro in the cockpit. I'd like to develop some courseware to show students common errors among various maneuvers.

Example: When a student is performing a steep turn, I see the change in space between the horizon and the cowl before I see any movement on the altimeter/VSI. I want to share that on the ground using instructional techniques more advanced than my white-board skills.
 
hook_dupin said:
Revival here: anyone with techniques on how to best mount a go-pro in the cockpit. I'd like to develop some courseware to show students common errors among various maneuvers.

Example: When a student is performing a steep turn, I see the change in space between the horizon and the cowl before I see any movement on the altimeter/VSI. I want to share that on the ground using instructional techniques more advanced than my white-board skills.
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Just mount it to your headset.
 
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