does SIC require type rating?

taseal

taseal

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I was talking to a company who offers type ratings and they told me that you would need 1500 hours to get a type rating. so I asked how the new hires at regionals get their type rating... he told me that they don't get a type rating because they don't have the hours for it, and its cheaper for airliners to do a type rating program but not he whole thing
  • § 61.31 Type rating requirements, additional training, and authorization requirements.: (a)Type r
  • s required.A person who acts as a pilot in command of any of the following aircraft must hold a type rating for that aircraft:
did I pretty much answer my own question? lol
 
Part 121 first officers are getting SIC type ratings, which only requires a commercial pilots license.

You don't need an ATP to get type rating, but if you want to operate at a 121 company as the PIC you DO need a type rating AND an ATP. That's where the 1,500 hours comes in, the ATP rating.
 
Actually, ICAO does require that SIC be typed in the airplane. The FAA agreed to go along with that but to cut down on costs they allowed for this "SIC ONLY" type.
 
BobDDuck said:
Actually, ICAO does require that SIC be typed in the airplane. The FAA agreed to go along with that but to cut down on costs they allowed for this "SIC ONLY" type.
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Really? I thought we were all getting the SIC types because a lot of regionals fly to Canada and Mexico and to fly into those countries you need the SIC type. I thought if you stayed within the bounds of the United States you could still fly in a Citation without an SIC type, or heck in the right seat of a part 121 carrier without the SIC type as long as you stayed in the U.S.
 
jtrain609 said:
Really? I thought we were all getting the SIC types because a lot of regionals fly to Canada and Mexico and to fly into those countries you need the SIC type. I thought if you stayed within the bounds of the United States you could still fly in a Citation without an SIC type, or heck in the right seat of a part 121 carrier without the SIC type as long as you stayed in the U.S.
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:yeahthat:
 
BobDDuck said:
Actually, ICAO does require that SIC be typed in the airplane. The FAA agreed to go along with that but to cut down on costs they allowed for this "SIC ONLY" type.
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oh yeah thats right, the guy told me the story behind it too... there was this plane that got grounded because this FAA US airline got grounded because the FO didn't have a SIC type rating or something
 
The larger point that needs to be made is you should wait for a company to PAY for YOUR type rating. It isn't something you should be shopping around for.
 
i agree, the only thing worse than paying for your own type rating is paying for your own SIC type rating.

*exception is swa
 
The SIC type is required for transport category aircraft(over 20k lbs). I know for a fact that and SIC type is not required to enter Canada or Mexico if the plane is under 20.
 
because they require a type rating in hand before reporting for training...but from the people I know who work there it is a worthwhile investment.
 
USMC-SGT said:
*exception is swa
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awacs94 said:
Why would SWA be an exception?
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USMC-SGT said:
because they require a type rating in hand before reporting for training...but from the people I know who work there it is a worthwhile investment.
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That's a weak cop out at best and down right hypocritical at worst. I think it is absolute BS that SWA expects their applicants to buy a type rating. I know you don't have to have one to get the job (I think it's 6 months of DOH) but there aren't too many people even getting a call back with out the type. THIS is what I am worried about happening to the regional industry with the RJ "bridge" courses.

SWA can get away with it right now because they pay the best of domestic feeds, but it really bothers me that there isn't more out rage/disgust that they require that.

It may be a worthwhile investment but it cheapens the industry and is crap.

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I had to get a SIC type rating for my airline because we fly into Canada... I think that's the only reason why.
 
BobDDuck said:
That's a weak cop out at best and down right hypocritical at worst. I think it is absolute BS that SWA expects their applicants to buy a type rating. I know you don't have to have one to get the job (I think it's 6 months of DOH) but there aren't too many people even getting a call back with out the type. THIS is what I am worried about happening to the regional industry with the RJ "bridge" courses.

SWA can get away with it right now because they pay the best of domestic feeds, but it really bothers me that there isn't more out rage/disgust that they require that.

It may be a worthwhile investment but it cheapens the industry and is crap.

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It is crap, I will admit that but unfortunately when one (or 100) take a stand it will not hurt SWA or the industry because they probably receive thousands of apps per year and wouldnt even notice.

I have thought about that many times in regards to many things but I also tell myself that if "I" take a stand there will be a line of people behind me to take my spot and all I have proven to anyone is how to be unemployed.

It is sad and I hate to say it and see it that way but it unfortunately is the way of the world. I think the exceptions are an authorized strike under the protection of a union because it is organized and widespread and hits hard to reach an end result but then again history has shown that there are always those willing to step up and do it when those on strike wont.

If I didnt apply to Colgan because of their payrates and lack of contract no one would have noticed and life would have gone. By taking the job and being able to participate in the drive to bring a union on board in August and helping being part of a generation that does something to change the way our company operates and treats its employees then I am actually accomplishing something. Me not applying would not have the same effect.
 
USMC-SGT said:
If I didnt apply to Colgan because of their payrates and lack of contract no one would have noticed and life would have gone. By taking the job and being able to participate in the drive to bring a union on board in August and helping being part of a generation that does something to change the way our company operates and treats its employees then I am actually accomplishing something. Me not applying would not have the same effect.
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:yeahthat:

Very well said.
 
If I'm not mistaken, there is nothing that says you need 1500 hours for a type rating. If some wealthy person bought himself a jet, he would need a type rating to act as PIC of that aircraft, but if he's operating under part 91 and using the aircraft for his own personal use, all he needs is a Private, Mullti-engine land, with the appropriate type rating. That could be had for however many hours it takes to get all those ratings, which would be waaaaayyyyyyy less than 1500. I don't think there is any minimum hour requirement to get that, but since I'm not instructing anymore, I refuse to look up FARs that don't apply to me haha. :D

On the subject however I am curious (and I did try to look this up but couldn't find it) said wealthy person would also of course need a high altitude endorsement, high performance endorsement, and complex endorsement. If he were to simply get the type rating, would the type rating give him all of that?
 
flyguy said:
If I'm not mistaken, there is nothing that says you need 1500 hours for a type rating. If some wealthy person bought himself a jet, he would need a type rating to act as PIC of that aircraft, but if he's operating under part 91 and using the aircraft for his own personal use, all he needs is a Private, Mullti-engine land, with the appropriate type rating. That could be had for however many hours it takes to get all those ratings, which would be waaaaayyyyyyy less than 1500. I don't think there is any minimum hour requirement to get that, but since I'm not instructing anymore, I refuse to look up FARs that don't apply to me haha. :D

On the subject however I am curious (and I did try to look this up but couldn't find it) said wealthy person would also of course need a high altitude endorsement, high performance endorsement, and complex endorsement. If he were to simply get the type rating, would the type rating give him all of that?
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Depends on where you go to obtain the rating and who officially gives the practical test to you. Flight Safety won't touch you if you have less then 1000hrs total time. I don't know about SimCom or anywhere else though. I know this because the owner of my plane tried to get a type with 800hrsTT. FlightSafety told him that for any type rating at FS, he must have a minnimum of 1000. Now I'm sure someone is saying "I got a type on the SAAB at FS when I got hired at XXX airlines and I had 400hrs". Thats because your company trained you and administered the test, not FS.
Yes, those endorsements are included if you don't have them.:rawk:
 
flyguy said:
If I'm not mistaken, there is nothing that says you need 1500 hours for a type rating. If some wealthy person bought himself a jet, he would need a type rating to act as PIC of that aircraft, but if he's operating under part 91 and using the aircraft for his own personal use, all he needs is a Private, Mullti-engine land, with the appropriate type rating. That could be had for however many hours it takes to get all those ratings, which would be waaaaayyyyyyy less than 1500. I don't think there is any minimum hour requirement to get that, but since I'm not instructing anymore, I refuse to look up FARs that don't apply to me haha. :D

On the subject however I am curious (and I did try to look this up but couldn't find it) said wealthy person would also of course need a high altitude endorsement, high performance endorsement, and complex endorsement. If he were to simply get the type rating, would the type rating give him all of that?
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I'm sure a lot of the training could and would be conducted together, but it is two (or [three,four]) different "endorsements" to have. The type rating would not act as replacement for the other endorsements.
 
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