Does race have anything to do with it...?

My previous instructor is African American ( I hate political correctness ) and he got hired at Chautaugua about a year ago. That statement in itself is not that important. But to relate it to your question, he said it actually helped him. I didn't get into the specifics with him as why, but I assume that would be at least one airline that holds diversity as important.
 
What Race Issue?

It doesn't matter what color you are today, black, brown, yellow, or whatever. Everyone has the SAME opportunities as the guy standing next to him. That's what make America the country it is.
 
True. Riddle knocked down my door and gave me a free education just to get a little color in their alumni pool.
 
That's a good question, and a shame that it still is asked in this day and age. Unlike what my avatar implies, I'm African-American as well, and I had concerns about my chances of making it to the airlines as well. As it was said in a previous post, work hard, and you'll get there.
However, let me outline what SOME(not ALL) people who are not of color are thinking.....I had attended Spartan School of Aeronautics in the late 90's, and as I was conversing with another student who was also African-American, he told me that his ground school instructor told the class that they had to "work hard, because ahead of YOU guys and minorities and women". Oh, it get's better, on a different day this same instructor says, "you know, black women would make the best pilots, because they have to overcome so much. When they're growing up, they are being physically, emotionally, and verbally abused." Well, if a certain number of black women in this country live in black neighborhoods and usually are raised by black parents...the WHO THE HELL IS IT THAT ABUSES THEM! (in case you don't get it, the implication is......TADAAAAA....us BLACK MEN!!). I was appalled to say the least, since the newer students usually saw instructors as "know all, see all" gods of aviation.
Also, my ex-employer, when I had lunch with him at the beginning of my employment with his company told me that he knew of an airline pilot that was pissed that blacks and women were "stealing" the flying jobs. My ex-employer then pointed out to him that it was impossible for a small percentage of a people who were already a minority could "steal" jobs. My question to that gentleman would have been how he felt back in the "good old days", when you saw really NO black or female airline pilots (keeping in mind, if you were black AND a woman, you were screwed over TWICE!)....would he have spoken against the hiring practices, or just continued to keep quiet while one qualified black pilot after another got rejected (a 1978 issue of Ebony magazine detailed this, but I don't remember which month it was for).
I was also told by my ex-employer that the airlines, at least a certain number of years ago, practiced non-hiring of black pilots because "they were afraid of losing money". In other words, the passengers would supposedly freak if they saw someone black going into the cockpit.
By the way, after WWII, when some of the Tuskeegee Airmen tried to gain airline employment, not ONE of them was hired. In fact, in an interview on the History Channel, one of the gentlemen recounted that he tried to get on with Pan Am (at the old Pan Am building in Manhattan, now MetLife), he saw the secretary ripping up his application and throwing it in the garbage when he went back in there to retrieve his newspaper. When he confronted her about what she thought she was doing, she said..."well, I'm sorry sir, but we don't hire coloreds here." Hmmmm, a war hero can't get an airline job, go figure. Anyway, that was then, the chances are better now.
However, DON'T be deceived, no amount of affirmative action can legislate against the level of bitterness, hatred, or fear that someone holds in his/her heart against someone of a different race or gender. It only provides protection against the ACTIONS that some people would try to take against us. This ran long, but I wanted to be thorough.;-)
Just remember though that there is a way to remember the history without letting it make you bitter (not to say that you are by the way), for it is said that if we don't know the past, we're dommed to repeat it. Work hard, work smart, keep your head up...and no matter how long it takes, you WILL succeed!
 
thanks you for all for your input, i guess it doesn't have much to do with it, but i will continue to work hard to achieve my goals regardless...all of the serious posts helped a lot and i thank you guys for contributing
 
Red5xwingdriver said:
That's a good question, and a shame that it still is asked in this day and age. Unlike what my avatar implies, I'm African-American as well, and I had concerns about my chances of making it to the airlines as well. As it was said in a previous post, work hard, and you'll get there.
However, let me outline what SOME(not ALL) people who are not of color are thinking.....I had attended Spartan School of Aeronautics in the late 90's, and as I was conversing with another student who was also African-American, he told me that his ground school instructor told the class that they had to "work hard, because ahead of YOU guys and minorities and women". Oh, it get's better, on a different day this same instructor says, "you know, black women would make the best pilots, because they have to overcome so much. When they're growing up, they are being physically, emotionally, and verbally abused." Well, if a certain number of black women in this country live in black neighborhoods and usually are raised by black parents...the WHO THE HELL IS IT THAT ABUSES THEM! (in case you don't get it, the implication is......TADAAAAA....us BLACK MEN!!). I was appalled to say the least, since the newer students usually saw instructors as "know all, see all" gods of aviation.
Also, my ex-employer, when I had lunch with him at the beginning of my employment with his company told me that he knew of an airline pilot that was pissed that blacks and women were "stealing" the flying jobs. My ex-employer then pointed out to him that it was impossible for a small percentage of a people who were already a minority could "steal" jobs. My question to that gentleman would have been how he felt back in the "good old days", when you saw really NO black or female airline pilots (keeping in mind, if you were black AND a woman, you were screwed over TWICE!)....would he have spoken against the hiring practices, or just continued to keep quiet while one qualified black pilot after another got rejected (a 1978 issue of Ebony magazine detailed this, but I don't remember which month it was for).
I was also told by my ex-employer that the airlines, at least a certain number of years ago, practiced non-hiring of black pilots because "they were afraid of losing money". In other words, the passengers would supposedly freak if they saw someone black going into the cockpit.
By the way, after WWII, when some of the Tuskeegee Airmen tried to gain airline employment, not ONE of them was hired. In fact, in an interview on the History Channel, one of the gentlemen recounted that he tried to get on with Pan Am (at the old Pan Am building in Manhattan, now MetLife), he saw the secretary ripping up his application and throwing it in the garbage when he went back in there to retrieve his newspaper. When he confronted her about what she thought she was doing, she said..."well, I'm sorry sir, but we don't hire coloreds here." Hmmmm, a war hero can't get an airline job, go figure. Anyway, that was then, the chances are better now.
However, DON'T be deceived, no amount of affirmative action can legislate against the level of bitterness, hatred, or fear that someone holds in his/her heart against someone of a different race or gender. It only provides protection against the ACTIONS that some people would try to take against us. This ran long, but I wanted to be thorough.;-)
Just remember though that there is a way to remember the history without letting it make you bitter (not to say that you are by the way), for it is said that if we don't know the past, we're dommed to repeat it. Work hard, work smart, keep your head up...and no matter how long it takes, you WILL succeed!

Exactly why it cant be ignored and must be spoken on. There are still knuckleheads that think its OK. I gotta admit, I do get a kick out of the subtle racism and classism going on today.
 
I think everyone has to deal with a racist at one point. I could beat the crap out of every guy who called me Chief or warning me about what happens to Indians when they drink the white mans fire water. But instead I move on and avoid the situation. If the interviewer has a problem with my race, I wouldn’t work for him/her anyway. Don’t dwell on the raciest, just stay positive, work hard and you’ll find your place.
Regarding the T-shirt with the slogan “Fighting Terrorism Since 1492”, just go to a local Pow Wow this summer and you’ll find one.
 
Darn you Red5xwingdriver.

You stole everything I was about to type.:) The first black airline pilot in the United States, Mr Marlon Green, wasn't hired till 1965. And even then, he had to take it all the way to the supreme court to make it happen. That was only 41 years ago!...just a little history lesson.

The Tuskeegee airmen are sort of my heros (hence my avatar) and have been a great inspiration to me. If they did it back when they were thought to be inferior and "scientifically" proven to have smaller brains that couldn't possibly have the capacity to operate sofisticated equipment as such in an aircraft, I know I could/can make it. It's no suprise to me that they did so well in the war. They were all college graduates with masters and some Phd's and they trained far longer than any other unit while the "experiment" was going on. There were alot of black pilot pioneers before the Tuskeegee airmen. Eugene Bullard, an American, flew in WW1 for the French Foreign legion.

While I'm edging closer to the 900TT mark, I'm not really worried about racism playing a part in me getting past an interview. They don't know what race I am by my resume (ok maybe they do because of my email address) and that is the merit which will get me on the big stage. And then it's up to me to give them the academy award performance. It's my goal to be atleast as twice as better than anyone else at that interview when that time comes. Thats why I am preparing now for the interviews that should be approaching soon.
 
KLB said:
Darn you Red5xwingdriver.

You stole everything I was about to type.:)

Oooooops:) . Actually, I'm sure that you know that Mr.Bullard ended up doing menial jobs after his flying career was cut short (I won't go into why, it should be obvious). And there were apparently TWO Tuskeegee experiments....the first was to see if we could "really" fly, and the other....:mad: ! I'll end that one there. Anyway, as long as we all keep our eyes on the prize (even with all this labor stuff and pension stuff going on), we'll make it...Don't give up, I know I won't:rawk: ! To the victor goes the spoils, and with knowledge, skill, and some grit (a la ChiSox, although I'm a YANKEE fan!) the goal gets met!
 
Just curious, have of your guys throughout your career ever had people not taking you seriously about this flying stuff? I guess most people around here don't really see black people flyin' but I dunno..
 
I really haven't noticed much difference at all. I've never had a problem.
 
Sprint100 said:
Exactly why it cant be ignored and must be spoken on. There are still knuckleheads that think its OK. I gotta admit, I do get a kick out of the subtle racism and classism going on today.

Here's what's scary. They did something where they sent resumes with exactly the same qualifications on them, one set with "black" names and one set with "white" names.

It didn't matter what the company's EEO policy was, it didn't even matter if the hiring manager was black or white.

You wanna guess who got called for interviews more?
 
Man, that sucks. Thanks to mom and dad for naming me after my uncle!
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
I'm in trouble then...

Like anyone knows what your last name is in this country! :)

Don't mistake "American Black" with "African"-sounding names! I don't think there's many "La Sheneqwa's" running around Lagos.
 
You're right Doug. WHat was I thinking? Ther eis no racism in the airline industry. In fact, Therei s no racism in America. People get ahead based on their merits.This whole business about race is all a phasad made up by radicals. Its a wonderful world we live in. Everything is fair and equal.
 
Red5xwingdriver said:
To the victor goes the spoils, and with knowledge, skill, and some grit (a la ChiSox, although I'm a YANKEE fan!) the goal gets met!

Go Yankees Hometown! I lived in Mount Vernon for a while.
 
GJ1 said:
Just curious, have of your guys throughout your career ever had people not taking you seriously about this flying stuff? I guess most people around here don't really see black people flyin' but I dunno..

I felt that I wasn't taken seriously in the flight training program at the university I attended, but I haven't experienced much negativity so far while CFI'ing.
 
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