Does being persistent help?

undflyboy06

Well-Known Member
Greetings everyone,

I find myself in a situation that deals with 135 charter and was hoping that someone with a lot of experience in that field can chime in.

I currently fly 135 cargo and there is a 135 charter operation across the ramp that I'm very interested in flying for. It's a pretty small company; family owned, two aircraft and 6 total pilots. Around a month a go I called to see if it was alright to drop off my resume and cover letter and it turns out I talked to the DO. After discussing the pre-requisites that are required to be considered for employment he told me to stop on by and drop off my stuff, which I did. I considered it was pretty good face time; showing me the area, aircraft and talking for about 30 minutes before I left.

Before I left the first time the DO told me that if I was ever in the area to stop on by. I waited for around 2 1/2 weeks before stopping by a second time. There is a possibility of them acquiring a third aircraft, hopefully in the near future and was curious if any progress was made since acquiring another aircraft is the only reason for them hiring more pilots. I was there for another 30 minutes roughly just asking some standard questions about the company; flying, trips, call out time stuff like that. Towards the end of the meeting I was told that if I was able to somehow get some citation time (Pic typed but no time in type), or try and get an excel type that would help me out a lot in moving up the stack of resumes. I was somewhat discouraged because I have been unsuccessful in finding a job to get time in type and I refuse to spend for my own type rating, especially for an excel. I was then confused because he told me before I left to keep stopping by from time to time, even though I'm not typed in the aircraft that they fly.

A few weeks later when I was at work I saw one of their planes taxi in. I decided to take a chance and say hi to meet some of their pilots and it turns out one of them was the Chief Pilot. We talked for only 10 minutes, nothing in particular, I just wanted to introduce myself. I thought it went fairly well, especially when I told him I fly the Be99 because he flew the 99 way back and he seemed happy to hear that. Also, the avionic package are the same between their excel's and EMB-145, Honeywell Primus 1000.

Finally to the point:

With the situation that I described above, would it be beneficial for me to keep stopping in every 3-4 weeks? The owner is the person that makes the final decision. I have a feeling that when they do hire next, it will come down to hiring someone that is already typed but not current (possibly), or hire someone like me that is current but not typed in their aircraft. Since I'm not typed, I feel the only chance I have is by being persistent, but how much is to much?

Thanks everyone, and sorry for the long post.

P.S. I forgot to mention that I passed up my mandatory recall to my regional since I want to stay in 135. I hope that helps also.
 
Well, from a Charter perspective persistance can definitly help.

Alos the Excel does indeed have the primus 1000 avionics however the EMB 145 has the Primus 2000. Just a heads up.

I wouldnt pay for any type ratings, but just keep on them for an FO slot. When they do get a third plane you want them to think of your name first. Get to know the pilots, etc. Buying a guy lunch or a beer can go a LONG way. It also gives you some face time with the guys. Id shoot for impressing the CP.
 
Thanks Corckrocket for the advice. I couldn't remember if the 145 was 1000 or 2000. It's been a few years.
 
I am in a similar situation, though, I am currently working for a 121 operator, so being persistant by showing up becomes a greater challenge. The most important fact is to show them, by being persistant, that you really want to work with them. Let them know that you WANT to be a pilot for them, and they will be more willing to pay for your training. Show them that you want to be there and they will have you there. Keep it up and let us know how it works out!
 
Well, from a Charter perspective persistance can definitly help.

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I wouldnt pay for any type ratings, but just keep on them for an FO slot. When they do get a third plane you want them to think of your name first. Get to know the pilots, etc. Buying a guy lunch or a beer can go a LONG way. It also gives you some face time with the guys. Id shoot for impressing the CP.

I'll second this. It's OK to be persistent as long as you don't overdo it. Oftentimes a 30 second phone call "Hi, just checking in and letting you know I'm still interested. I don't want to take any more of your time...Good bye." ...can be enough to keep your resume at the top of the stack.
 
It worked for me years ago. I was working for a corporate flight department and was going to be laid off. Between our flight department and our mail box was another corporate operator looking for a pilot. I would walk through their hanger on my way to the mail box and talk to them 1-2 times a week. I got the job after doing a few contract trips for them.
 
Like Steve said, "right up until it doesn't..." ;)

You're a human being...be alert for the signals. If people start looking irritated or overly busy when you show up, maybe back off a little bit. I will say that it's like the lottery...if you don't play, you can't win, and I have very rarely seen the above scenario. More often than not, it's just about keeping your name and face present in the mind of whoever is doing the hiring. Good luck!
 
I'll second this. It's OK to be persistent as long as you don't overdo it. Oftentimes a 30 second phone call "Hi, just checking in and letting you know I'm still interested. I don't want to take any more of your time...Good bye." ...can be enough to keep your resume at the top of the stack.

This is exactly how I got my Current CFI gig. Called every few weeks or so until one week, the owner told me to come in for a flight to see how it goes....
 
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