Documents required to solo
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MidlifeFlyer
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You're allowed to get it wrong. Getting a few things wrong is part of the process of learning - that includes the pre-solo knowledge test.
That same question means different things to different people. For example, Chinook's answer includes aircraft-related documents while the answer I would look for from a student would solely on pilot-related documents.
Assuming your instructor is looking for pilot-related stuff, how about looking at the FAR sections that deal with (1) documents that all pilots must have when doing their thing and (2) solo flight requirements for student pilots.
That same question means different things to different people. For example, Chinook's answer includes aircraft-related documents while the answer I would look for from a student would solely on pilot-related documents.
Assuming your instructor is looking for pilot-related stuff, how about looking at the FAR sections that deal with (1) documents that all pilots must have when doing their thing and (2) solo flight requirements for student pilots.
moxiepilot
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specifically, look under "Student Pilots" in the regs (to add to MLF)
GJ1
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Timbuff10 said:Don't forget the key card from the Holiday Inn Express you stayed at the night before the solo.
Haha, I have plenty of time to finish this test, my instructor is on vacation til the 6th, but I just wanted to get it done! I looked at 61.87 and I didn't really see anything about documentation in it but I guess i'll just re-read it..
Here's the parts out of 61.87GJ1 said:
(n) Limitations on student pilots operating an aircraft in solo flight. A student pilot may not operate an aircraft in solo flight unless that student pilot has received:
(1) An endorsement from an authorized instructor on his or her student pilot certificate for the specific make and model aircraft to be flown; and
(2) An endorsement in the student's logbook for the specific make and model aircraft to be flown by an authorized instructor, who gave the training within the 90 days preceding the date of the flight.
And 61.3 has the other stuff:
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/0/1E4B1601D9B5103586256EE0006417BE?OpenDocument
a) Pilot certificate. A person may not act as pilot in command or in any other capacity as a required pilot flight crewmember of a civil aircraft of U.S. registry, unless that person--
(1) Has a valid pilot certificate or special purpose pilot authorization issued under this part in that person's physical possession or readily accessible in the aircraft when exercising the privileges of that pilot certificate or authorization. However, when the aircraft is operated within a foreign country, a current pilot license issued by the country in which the aircraft is operated may be used; and
(2) Has a photo identification that is in that person's physical possession or readily accessible in the aircraft when exercising the privileges of that pilot certificate or authorization. The photo identification must be a:
(i) Valid driver's license issued by a State, the District of Columbia, or territory or possession of the United States;
(ii) Government identification card issued by the Federal government, a State, the District of Columbia, or a territory or
possession of the United States;
(iii) U.S. Armed Forces' identification card;
(iv) Official passport;
(v) Credential that authorizes unescorted access to a security identification display area at an airport regulated under 49 CFR part 1542; or
(vi) Other form of identification that the Administrator finds acceptable.
and
(c) Medical certificate. (1) Except as provided for in paragraph (c)(2) of this section, a person may not act as pilot in command or in any other capacity as a required pilot flight crewmember of an aircraft, under a certificate issued to that person under this part, unless that person has a current and appropriate medical certificate that has been issued under part 67 of this chapter, or other documentation acceptable to the Administrator, which is in that person's physical possession or readily accessible in the aircraft.
MidlifeFlyer
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Actually, 61.87 tells us what has to exist, but it doesn't tell us what documents the student pilot has to have within when soloing. Those are in 61.3 (as you point out) and, for student pilots, 61.51(I)(2) (which is a kind of strange place to put it)ChinookDriver said:
Most common, but harmless, error I see in the answer to this question is thinking that a student pilot must have his logbook with him for all solo flights. (I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of instructors get that one wrong also)
But that 61.51 section you mention:
(i) Presentation of required documents.
(1) Persons must present their pilot certificate, medical certificate, logbook, or any other record required by this part for inspection upon a reasonable request by--
(i) The Administrator;
(ii) An authorized representative from the National Transportation Safety Board; or
(iii) Any Federal, State, or local law enforcement officer.
(2) A student pilot must carry the following items in the aircraft on all solo cross-country flights as evidence of the required authorized instructor clearances and endorsements--
(i) Pilot logbook;
(ii) Student pilot certificate; and
(iii) Any other record required by this section.
Does say logbook, and only references cross country solo flight.
Not trying to sharp shoot, just understand.
(i) Presentation of required documents.
(1) Persons must present their pilot certificate, medical certificate, logbook, or any other record required by this part for inspection upon a reasonable request by--
(i) The Administrator;
(ii) An authorized representative from the National Transportation Safety Board; or
(iii) Any Federal, State, or local law enforcement officer.
(2) A student pilot must carry the following items in the aircraft on all solo cross-country flights as evidence of the required authorized instructor clearances and endorsements--
(i) Pilot logbook;
(ii) Student pilot certificate; and
(iii) Any other record required by this section.
Does say logbook, and only references cross country solo flight.
Not trying to sharp shoot, just understand.
MidlifeFlyer
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Good shooting. You got it. A student pilot only needs to carry his logbook on a cross country flight.ChinookDriver said:
You probably realize this by now, but nope. It's not implied. Being required to have an endorsement does not imply a requirement to carry it around with you - for a non-student pilot, think high performance, complex, and the other required endorsements.
When the FAA wants you to have it with you, the FAR is pretty specific about it. Look at some of the recreational and sport pilot provisions [61.51(I)(3) and (4)] that specifically =do= require the logbook to be carried around - always for the sport pilot; sometimes for the recreational pilot.