Do I need to report this to the FAA?
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Yep. Happy to say that I do.Mr_Creepy said:
I think that Tony has a teacher's heart and intentions. You know how difficult writing style is to interpret on the 'net. His style can be overwhelming at times. Just as mine can be overbearing.
Ah, but what you "meant" to imply may not have corresponded with what I inferred you to mean, eh?And I contend that the intent of that scripture was exactly what was meant
jrm1493
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I got the same thing in Orlando (improper lane change) for driving in the grass to get to a left turn lane (traffic was backed up going straight and I wanted to turn left). In Houston where I learned to drive this is perfectly acceptable but the florida trooper thought I was crazy. The lane I "changed" in to was some grass so I was annoyed, but it was only about a $100 ticket so it wasnt worth fighting.
Sprint100
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TonyC said:
Ton, I'm with you. If you know you're doing something wrong and then get caught, man up and suffer the consequences. [in a whiny little girly voice] I know I was speeding but I'm going to fight it anyway....I ran the red light but not how it he noted it on the ticket, so I'm gonna fight it [back to normal] LMAO.
Then people get mad over petty lawsuits. This behavior has the same principle even though its not a lawsuit. Wasting tax money, peoples time, and making more of a joke of the court system by trying to fight something you KNOW you're guilty of.
P.S. - And I'm throwing a big-ass stone too!!!!!!
One of my friends got zapped by photo radar for driving 63 in a 45 mph zone about a year ago.
So he sent out this email blast saying (paraphrased) "How does the city of Scottsdale know that I wasn't simply keeping up with the flow of traffic? How do they know what a safe speed was because the roads were empty with no traffic!"
Aye.
Meanwhile he was very fortunate because he had been drinking and I presumed he had a designated driver.
So he sent out this email blast saying (paraphrased) "How does the city of Scottsdale know that I wasn't simply keeping up with the flow of traffic? How do they know what a safe speed was because the roads were empty with no traffic!"
Aye.
Meanwhile he was very fortunate because he had been drinking and I presumed he had a designated driver.
Mr_Creepy
Well-Known Member
I think you understand what you think I meant, but I'm not sure you understand what I think I meant .... I think?SteveC said:Yep. Happy to say that I do.
I think that Tony has a teacher's heart and intentions. You know how difficult writing style is to interpret on the 'net. His style can be overwhelming at times. Just as mine can be overbearing.
Ah, but what you "meant" to imply may not have corresponded with what I inferred you to mean, eh?
Yep. We're on the same page.Mr_Creepy said:I think you understand what you think I meant, but I'm not sure you understand what I think I meant .... I think?
We're in different libraries (never mind different book), but at least we're on the same page nevertheless irregardless.
:bandit:
(p.s., if you like convoluted logic sentence structure, here's one of my old fav's: "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.")
Mr_Creepy said:
Please accept my apology, Mr_Creepy, for failing to adequately convey my sentiments. I did not intend to be harsh - - I intended to be blunt.
Since the time you posted this morning, people have died in a car crash. Families who mourn their passing will refer to the event as an "accident," but the fact is, it could have been prevented if the drivers had been engaged in driving defensively, rather than just pointing and pushing the accelerator. When people don't pay attention to what's going on around them, when they act like they're the only ones on the road, when they act like the laws of physics don't apply to them, it's not an accident, it's negligence.
It is a fact that it is more dangerous for me to drive to work than it is to fly around the world, operate into and out of the busiest airports in the world, fly approaches to mins... well, in short, to do my job. It should not be that way.
Driving a car is not a God-given (or even god-given for those of you so inclined) right. It is a privilege, and with it comes a great deal of responsibility. It's not some theme park joy ride feature where you wait in line, hop in, and enjoy the thrill of the wind blowing through your hair until the ride stops back at the station, safely depositing you on the opposite platform. There are no safety rails that guarantee you won't die. That job - - ensuring a safe outcome - - is the sole responsibility of the driver.
Had we detected in the above posts an expression of thankfulness for a lesson learned, or a scintilla of regret for mistakes made, I would likely have not spoken up. On the contrary, we heard denial and anger. What they did was not wrong in their minds, and the bigger issue was the incompetency of the law enforcement officials. We should take it as an insult, then, that someone would turn around and burden our legal system by contesting the punishment imposed.
I take driving a car very seriously. Have I made mistakes? You bet I have. I've done stupid things, and I've suffered consequences. I've been 100% "right" and still had to deal with the body shop. As with anything else in life, I've attempted to share the lessons I've learned the "hard way" with my children as they reach the age when they begin driving. Other lessons, such as the "Smith System of Defensive Driving," were learned much later in my adult life. They know how serious I am about it. It's not a matter of when they'll get to drive, it's a matter of if. IF they demonstrate a proper respect for the automobile and the process of operating it safely from Point A to Point B, they'll get the keys. IF they don't, there's a yellow bus that stops at the corner of our block.
I just wish I had been offered at their age the information that I have now. If I can save their lives by teaching them the proper respect for this activity of driving, then it's well worth the effort. I know that it has already prevented "accidents." 
If one of my children gave me the story in the above posts, I would have responded to them in just the same way that I did here. I would want them to be too ashamed of their incompetance or negligence to complain about their ticket to their friends. I would want them to regret their mistake, own up to the punishment, and resolve to never do it again. And if they had this attitude, I'd put my arms around them and tell them how much I love them and how glad I am that they're not hurt. Maybe you can understand why I'm so passionate about it.
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Ripper3785
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FWIW, re: Red light running
http://www.ticketassassin.com/autoenf.html
I remember reading a similar article in car & driver (or equivalent) a few years back about how people who run the yellow/red lights are not a significant cause of accidents. This type of red-light running gets grouped together with people who absent-mindedly(cell-phone, distracted, etc) run a red light that has been red for 10+ seconds. The red light cameras supposedly aren't busting people who cause accidents.
Don't get me wrong, they're still breaking the law. And blowing 'orange' lights is not defensive driving.
In my head the logic makes sense, aside from the people running yellows when the oncoming left turn is a yield not an arrow, and that guy is sitting out in the intersection waiting for traffic to stop coming. (also an extremely common traffic violation)
In conclusion, I have no actual point to make. +1 to my post count!
http://www.ticketassassin.com/autoenf.html
I remember reading a similar article in car & driver (or equivalent) a few years back about how people who run the yellow/red lights are not a significant cause of accidents. This type of red-light running gets grouped together with people who absent-mindedly(cell-phone, distracted, etc) run a red light that has been red for 10+ seconds. The red light cameras supposedly aren't busting people who cause accidents.
Don't get me wrong, they're still breaking the law. And blowing 'orange' lights is not defensive driving.
In my head the logic makes sense, aside from the people running yellows when the oncoming left turn is a yield not an arrow, and that guy is sitting out in the intersection waiting for traffic to stop coming. (also an extremely common traffic violation)
In conclusion, I have no actual point to make. +1 to my post count!
Bigey
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Ripper3785 said:
Solution: Dont have a front plate. On 3 of our cars, we dont have front plate. Blame us? Go ahead, but we dont feel like drilling holes in our bumper. Also makes the car look more sleek, and theres so many people in socal without now, it's become "accepted" more than "fined" for.
Hey TonyC
If you can fight it, and it works, then why not? You're still going to learn a lesson whether or not you're forced to pay for it, or have the chance of having to pay for it.
Personally, i dont like the idea of giving speeding tickets out to only one car, when the pace of traffic is high. In socal, alot of people cruise at 75+ EASILY now a days. On light traffic it's about 85. Now if everyone in all lanes is doing 85 then what's the big deal? Ahh yes, i've seen far too many times the most expensive car picked out.
Or how about seeing this one or actually experiencing it. You're in the right lane, and someone is passing you on the left, and the cop gives YOU the ticket, when you're doing less than traffic flow.
People who say quotas dont exist is BS!
Maybe i can try and put it in basic terms.
A cop doesnt get any major calls for that day, so he decides to start shooting radar off a local road. He comes back to the station after 3 hours. His boss asks him:
"so what'd ya do for 3 hours?"
Cop responds "Observing traffic"
Boss responds "Prove it...show me what 3 hours was with"
Bigey
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Ripper3785 said:
Also, if any part of the vehicle is over the line, and the light is yellow still - you're legal EVEN if your car proceeds to be in the intersection while the light turns red.
Oh and guys, please please please, if you are entering a yellow light please dont hit the gas. If anything, you just are making the impact of a possible accent even greater.
Bigey
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Sprint100 said:LMAO Stupid is as stupid does LMAO
Bigey, you'll do whatever you please, but that rationalization needs work!!!
LOL!!!!
I dont mean it in all times!
Im saying in terms of a ticket in driving!
The person who got lucky, and beat the ticket, hopefully learned for himself not to do it again or he might not be so fortunate the next time. Or have them get in trouble, and then pay the fine which usually makes the average person "HATE ALL COPS, because all they do is sit around and eat donuts."
(I'm assuming you're talking about a state where license plates are required on the front and rear of the automobiles.)Bigey said:
Solution to what? Are you advocating that someone flagrantly violate one motor vehicle regulation in order to make it more difficult to be caught violating another? That's a real genius idea.
I do blame you, because I don't feel like sharing the road with someone who has such disdain for the law. Your flagrant disregard for the simplest of rules tells me that I can't count on you to maintain a safe place to operate a vehicle. Please, save us all the trouble and heartache, and stick to mass transportation.Bigey said:
It goes to a principle I learned when I was quite young. Perhaps you missed this when you were growing up.Bigey said:
RIGHT vs. WRONG
If you're wrong, accept the consequences. Fighting the punishment doesn't make you right.
The only lesson you might learn is that you can choke the legal system and get away with doing wrong. That's not the type of lesson I'd like to be teaching my kids.Bigey said:
Maybe I can put it in basic terms:Bigey said:
OBEY THE LAW
That is utter nonsense. It is dead wrong. It is incorrect.Bigey said:
Your car must be completely clear of the intersection when the light turns red. If you do not have sufficient time to clear the intersection before the light turns red, DO NOT ENTER the intersection.
PERIOD.
Well, at least you have the part about not accelerating through an intersection correct. As for the second part, I can only assume that you mean "accident" when you're referring to an impact. As I've said before, any impact that might result from travelling through the intersection would be a crash, but it would hardly be an accident. It would only be due to the negligence of one driver or another, or both, that two cars would try to occupy the same space at the same time.Bigey said:
Somehow people seem to think that we can call them accidents and wash our hands of responsibility. Accidents "happen," right? After all, even our Insurance carriers have given up and just pay damages without placing fault. But the truth is, if we drive like our lives depend on it, if we drive like WE have to pay to fix our own cars, then we can prevent crashes.
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Mr_Creepy
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Tony I am with you in spirit, just not in delivery.TonyC said:Please accept my apology, Mr_Creepy, for failing to adequately convey my sentiments. I did not intend to be harsh - - I intended to be blunt.
Since the time you posted this morning, people have died in a car crash. Families who mourn their passing will refer to the event as an "accident," but the fact is, it could have been prevented if the drivers had been engaged in driving defensively, rather than just pointing and pushing the accelerator. When people don't pay attention to what's going on around them, when they act like they're the only ones on the road, when they act like the laws of physics don't apply to them, it's not an accident, it's negligence.
It is a fact that it is more dangerous for me to drive to work than it is to fly around the world, operate into and out of the busiest airports in the world, fly approaches to mins... well, in short, to do my job. It should not be that way.
Driving a car is not a God-given (or even god-given for those of you so inclined) right. It is a privilege, and with it comes a great deal of responsibility. It's not some theme park joy ride feature where you wait in line, hop in, and enjoy the thrill of the wind blowing through your hair until the ride stops back at the station, safely depositing you on the opposite platform. There are no safety rails that guarantee you won't die. That job - - ensuring a safe outcome - - is the sole responsibility of the driver.
Had we detected in the above posts an expression of thankfulness for a lesson learned, or a scintilla of regret for mistakes made, I would likely have not spoken up. On the contrary, we heard denial and anger. What they did was not wrong in their minds, and the bigger issue was the incompetency of the law enforcement officials. We should take it as an insult, then, that someone would turn around and burden our legal system by contesting the punishment imposed.
I take driving a car very seriously. Have I made mistakes? You bet I have. I've done stupid things, and I've suffered consequences. I've been 100% "right" and still had to deal with the body shop. As with anything else in life, I've attempted to share the lessons I've learned the "hard way" with my children as they reach the age when they begin driving. Other lessons, such as the "Smith System of Defensive Driving," were learned much later in my adult life. They know how serious I am about it. It's not a matter of when they'll get to drive, it's a matter of if. IF they demonstrate a proper respect for the automobile and the process of operating it safely from Point A to Point B, they'll get the keys. IF they don't, there's a yellow bus that stops at the corner of our block.
If one of my children gave me the story in the above posts, I would have responded to them in just the same way that I did here. I would want them to be too ashamed of their incompetance or negligence to complain about their ticket to their friends. I would want them to regret their mistake, own up to the punishment, and resolve to never do it again. And if they had this attitude, I'd put my arms around them and tell them how much I love them and how glad I am that they're not hurt. Maybe you can understand why I'm so passionate about it.
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At 48 years old, I think I have learned that I will never be able to cure the world of stupid driving.
As long as there are cellphones and valium, for example, we are doomed to idiots.
But I share your sentiments, and yes, I too have a daughter! Turns 5 yrs old tomorrow.
Trust me, I have no delusions of curing the world. I just couldn't remain silent while guys brag about breaking the law, criticize the police, and plot to evade the punishment. If I can make just one person think twice before he turns the ignition key, it will have been worth the time typing.Mr_Creepy said:
We're old enough to be fathers to some of the guys here, and I suppose it's my father that speaks some times. I have four children that are driving age, and the subject is a very sensitive one to me. I try not to dwell on it, but every time one of them leaves the house in one of my cars, I face the very real possibility that instead of seeing them return, I might instead recieve a phone call from the police. If there weren't so many drivers with attitudes exactly like the ones displayed above, I might not think about it as much.
Perhaps we can help change attitudes, one at a time.
Enjoy the birthday - - they grow up so, so fast.
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Bigey
Well-Known Member
TonyC said:
If i had such a disregard with the law, i'd probably been arrested about 100 times by now, have a criminal record the size of texas, and have a buddy that's in the pen. That's not the case. I respect authority, to an extent. Start being an ******* to me and it's out the window.
On the yellow light thing, you are correct, my mistake. That one i couldnt help, i was told by one of my teachers at school. And since, a teacher that has been driving for 20 years has more knowledge than me (hopefully), i took her word for it.
I also stand for myself in terms of getting a ticket for something that is utterly rediuclous (thank god havent experienced it yet).
Now got a quick question, we have some weird lights in my city. The light changes pretty quickly from green to yellow, then rapidly to red with no general flow. One time it could be green for 8 seconds, then green for 40 seconds. If im approaching the intersection at 40mph (speed limit) and im about 100 feet away from the intersection and it turns yellow what should one do? For sure our big SUV cannot stop from 40 in 100 feet? Do we blow by the red light, or slam on the brakes and end up in the intersection?
Okay, back to topic. Now, for one, you took my quote about "simple" out of context. I was discussing quoatas, which is constantly denied that exist.
Oh just remembered, what if the consequences to something "wrong" was set too high or unfair?
I like to think if you were unfairly treated, you have every right to fight something, agree? Family friend was driving 72 in a 65 and was pulled over, while the car next to him was PASSING him?
Now does it justify him breaking the law? Naw
But someone broke the law to a greater extent - who really deserves the ticket?
GJ1
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I got pulled over today for the first time EVER, I was going 55 in a 45 but luckily the cop was out of his jurisdiction... He said he put my car in the database and he said "we'll be looking for you Mr. Jordan"... I though to myself what a *******, why don't you go and give someone a BS ticket for having a light out....