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You are a poet!

now if I could give more reputation here I would, but I just smacked you one, so I have to go around a do a bunch of BS ones just to be able comment again on you...
 
Bumblebee said:
You are a poet!

now if I could give more reputation here I would, but I just smacked you one, so I have to go around a do a bunch of BS ones just to be able comment again on you...
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When the day comes that the reputation ticker gets me laid, I'll worry.. In the meantime, I appreciate you saying it and owning it publicly. That's the whole point I'm making.

...and besides, chicks dig rebels, not contrarian non-conformists. I got that part covered. ;)
 
Firebird2XC said:
When the day comes that the reputation ticker gets me laid, I'll worry.. In the meantime, I appreciate you saying it and owning it publicly. That's the whole point I'm making.

...and besides, chicks dig rebels, not contrarian non-conformists. I got that part covered. ;)
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it's a dumb thing and really deserves no actual consideration...
 
This will go over like a turd in the punchbowl...but I'm obviously ok with that.

Remember a couple of weeks ago...it was one of the chronic threads about if pilots are professional (perhaps it was the bus driver one though). Either way, I made a comment that other professions don't worry about it, and that pilots are constantly worried about it, etc...and I asked if there was some kind of insecurity among many pilots that made them constantly questions thesee things, and asked if this was why the profession has been degraded, or if the profession being degraded has caused the insecurity. Anyway...nine page thread about this new "reputation" feature. NINE PAGES and people worried about it. I could post that Obama is a muslim and I want Sarah Palin to be President and it wouldn't go nine pages. So, do all these pages about "rep" and the consternation have anything to do with the whole "pilots are worried about their perception" theory?
 
WacoFan said:
So, do all these pages about "rep" and the consternation have anything to do with the whole "pilots are worried about their perception" theory?
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YES...BUT WE ALREADY KNOW THAT WE HAVE A SELF CONFIDENCE PROBLEM!!!!

Why do you keep rubbing it in?!?!?
 
Bumblebee said:
YES...BUT WE ALREADY KNOW THAT WE HAVE A SELF CONFIDENCE PROBLEM!!!!

Why do you keep rubbing it in?!?!?
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It's more than that. You have confidence in airplanes, perfectly good confidence to take your life, and the lives of many people on the plane in your hands, etc. It isn't so much a confidence problem as much as a specific kind of self confidence problem. Maybe having to do with personal interactions or something. My leaning is that the personality trait this stems from causes perhaps a subconscious devaluing of the profession and perhaps aids management in the race to the bottom. Not sure. Serious point here and not to poke fun - this used to not be this way (airlines were regulated, but most of the pilots were of a similar background, most military men, etc).
 
I agree with this, additionally sometimes overachievement is a direct result of a lack of confidence causing us to prove we are worthy.
WacoFan said:
It's more than that. You have confidence in airplanes, perfectly good confidence to take your life, and the lives of many people on the plane in your hands, etc. It isn't so much a confidence problem as much as a specific kind of self confidence problem. Maybe having to do with personal interactions or something. My leaning is that the personality trait this stems from causes perhaps a subconscious devaluing of the profession and perhaps aids management in the race to the bottom. Not sure. Serious point here and not to poke fun - this used to not be this way (airlines were regulated, but most of the pilots were of a similar background, most military men, etc).
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Bumblebee said:
I agree with this, additionally sometimes overachievement is a direct result of a lack of confidence causing us to prove we are worthy.
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So how do you use this knowledge to improve the profession? If there is a flaw profession-wide then what steps have to happen to improve self-perception and therefore improve the profession? You can wait on supply and demand and the free market (age 65 retirements, airline growth, etc), but to cross polinate from another thread, you said "the free market doesn't work". So, how do pilots in general admit to this weakness, improve it, and then take advantage of the market forces that will naturally benefit them anyway? That is the question.

As for the rating system. It's for fun people. It won't be reported on PRIA or keep you from getting a job.
 
WacoFan said:
It's more than that. You have confidence in airplanes, perfectly good confidence to take your life, and the lives of many people on the plane in your hands, etc. It isn't so much a confidence problem as much as a specific kind of self confidence problem. Maybe having to do with personal interactions or something. My leaning is that the personality trait this stems from causes perhaps a subconscious devaluing of the profession and perhaps aids management in the race to the bottom. Not sure. Serious point here and not to poke fun - this used to not be this way (airlines were regulated, but most of the pilots were of a similar background, most military men, etc).
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Bumblebee said:
I agree with this, additionally sometimes overachievement is a direct result of a lack of confidence causing us to prove we are worthy.
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WacoFan said:
So how do you use this knowledge to improve the profession? If there is a flaw profession-wide then what steps have to happen to improve self-perception and therefore improve the profession? You can wait on supply and demand and the free market (age 65 retirements, airline growth, etc), but to cross polinate from another thread, you said "the free market doesn't work". So, how do pilots in general admit to this weakness, improve it, and then take advantage of the market forces that will naturally benefit them anyway? That is the question.

As for the rating system. It's for fun people. It won't be reported on PRIA or keep you from getting a job.
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Good God. People are finally catching on. I have a friend who asked me recently, "Dude, my uncle is a pilot.. why has he been divorced ten times?" Seriously! TEN TIMES!

Why is divorce, bankruptcy, poor health, alcoholism and substance abuse, etc, ad nauseum all endemic to the piloting profession? Why do so many of us chase shiny jets? Mortgage ourselves into oblivion? Or.... God help us... wear our uniforms to the mall?

All these things are *symptoms* of a person trying to find a stable emotional foothold outside of themselves. For all the bravado and machismo, pilots tend to reflect way too heavily on their achievements and external circumstances. It's actually quite common among a lot of professions where lives regularly hang in the balance. The drama and bravado attracts a type. All of these things point to a certain kind of non-assertive personality that looks for indirect ways to create a life circumstance that improves the way they look at themselves. Defeatism, manipulation, passive-aggressive behavior- all these things- point to someone who just doesn't believe in themselves that much.

There's a better way. It starts when pilots grab their balls (or ovaries, or whatever) and stand up and start telling it like it is. This silly passive-aggressive "user feedback" system is just spinning the wheels on a machine that's destined to self-destruct. Pilots can stand up and man up and deal with it and start living life without somebody telling them it's okay..

... or they can just tag themselves as candidates for the HIMS program right now and keep on like they have. This job is often hard. Sometimes it downright sucks. The hours are long, the pay lower than it could be. Lives literally hang in the balance. Ultimately how well we cope with all of that is up to us. In the meantime, as we all learn to do that, do we really need to enable those of us who don't understand that with a way to suck those trying to climb out of the hole back in? I don't think so.

I wash my hands of this thread.
 
Firebird2XC said:
Good God. People are finally catching on. I have a friend who asked me recently, "Dude, my uncle is a pilot.. why has he been divorced ten times?" Seriously! TEN TIMES!

Why is divorce, bankruptcy, poor health, alcoholism and substance abuse, etc, ad nauseum all endemic to the piloting profession? Why do so many of us chase shiny jets? Mortgage ourselves into oblivion? Or.... God help us... wear our uniforms to the mall?

All these things are *symptoms* of a person trying to find a stable emotional foothold outside of themselves. For all the bravado and machismo, pilots tend to reflect way too heavily on their achievements and external circumstances. It's actually quite common among a lot of professions where lives regularly hang in the balance. The drama and bravado attracts a type. All of these things point to a certain kind of non-assertive personality that looks for indirect ways to create a life circumstance that improves the way they look at themselves. Defeatism, manipulation, passive-aggressive behavior- all these things- point to someone who just doesn't believe in themselves that much.

There's a better way. It starts when pilots grab their balls (or ovaries, or whatever) and stand up and start telling it like it is. This silly passive-aggressive "user feedback" system is just spinning the wheels on a machine that's destined to self-destruct. Pilots can stand up and man up and deal with it and start living life without somebody telling them it's okay..

... or they can just tag themselves as candidates for the HIMS program right now and keep on like they have. This job is often hard. Sometimes it downright sucks. The hours are long, the pay lower than it could be. Lives literally hang in the balance. Ultimately how well we cope with all of that is up to us. In the meantime, as we all learn to do that, do we really need to enable those of us who don't understand that with a way to suck those trying to climb out of the hole back in? I don't think so.

I wash my hands of this thread.
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You're being overly dramatic just to be funny, right? Or maybe you're referring to early 20-something wannabe regional pilots or over-sensitive part 135 pilots who haven't found themselves yet? Even still... Lives hanging in the balance?

Self reflection to a point is healthy but all of that seems a little too reality tv to be real.
 
Ian J said:
You're being overly dramatic just to be funny, right? Or maybe you're referring to early 20-something wannabe regional pilots or over-sensitive part 135 pilots who haven't found themselves yet? Even still... Lives hanging in the balance?

Self reflection to a point is healthy but all of that seems a little too reality tv to be real.
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Yep. Sorry 'bout that. Got into the red wine with dinner and got a little carried away. Nothing to see here folks. Move it along, now. Move it along. :)
 
Firebird2XC said:
Good God. People are finally catching on. I have a friend who asked me recently, "Dude, my uncle is a pilot.. why has he been divorced ten times?" Seriously! TEN TIMES!

Why is divorce, bankruptcy, poor health, alcoholism and substance abuse, etc, ad nauseum all endemic to the piloting profession? Why do so many of us chase shiny jets? Mortgage ourselves into oblivion? Or.... God help us... wear our uniforms to the mall?

All these things are *symptoms* of a person trying to find a stable emotional foothold outside of themselves. For all the bravado and machismo, pilots tend to reflect way too heavily on their achievements and external circumstances. It's actually quite common among a lot of professions where lives regularly hang in the balance. The drama and bravado attracts a type. All of these things point to a certain kind of non-assertive personality that looks for indirect ways to create a life circumstance that improves the way they look at themselves. Defeatism, manipulation, passive-aggressive behavior- all these things- point to someone who just doesn't believe in themselves that much.

There's a better way. It starts when pilots grab their balls (or ovaries, or whatever) and stand up and start telling it like it is. This silly passive-aggressive "user feedback" system is just spinning the wheels on a machine that's destined to self-destruct. Pilots can stand up and man up and deal with it and start living life without somebody telling them it's okay..

... or they can just tag themselves as candidates for the HIMS program right now and keep on like they have. This job is often hard. Sometimes it downright sucks. The hours are long, the pay lower than it could be. Lives literally hang in the balance. Ultimately how well we cope with all of that is up to us. In the meantime, as we all learn to do that, do we really need to enable those of us who don't understand that with a way to suck those trying to climb out of the hole back in? I don't think so.

I wash my hands of this thread.
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Holy...wow. Nice. Remember...friends don't let friends drink and type :)
 
Bumblebee said:
something to do with a one way mirror?
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Answer: What you use one of these for...
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