Difficult Instrument Approaches

Corporate Pilot said:
I did it 5 times one day in the mid 90’s in a Falcon 20, back then it was the best approach GA had into ASE. About every other plane would make it in and the pax wanted to go to ASE. After 2 tries we had to go to GUC for fuel. It was too long of a day. DAL-PBI-TUL-GUC-ASE-DAL. CP was in the right seat not feeling well the whole trip. I hope I have learned enough over the years not to do that again.

If you look at the approach it is worthless after the 9.5 DBL DME. If you see the airport at the missed approach point you are 1.4 miles from the airport and 2400 feet above it.
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Holy crap, am I reading that right? 9.67 degree glidepath? :eek:
 
I've seen some NDB/DME approach posted here on JC before. It was up in alaska and it had the note like - caution: if you go missed after the map, you will hit the mountain.
 
mhcasey said:
It still is! Everyone does it in the sim here. I flew it for real in the T-6 at mil power, but it was relatively tame at 250 knots.
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Unfortunately, with the T-38C avionics, and the ability to have TACAN, VOR, and EGI all set up simultaneously (and before the approach even starts), plus having a HUD and a flight director...it's not even in the same league of difficulty that it was in the A model.
 
Hacker15e said:
Unfortunately, with the T-38C avionics, and the ability to have TACAN, VOR, and EGI all set up simultaneously (and before the approach even starts), plus having a HUD and a flight director...it's not even in the same league of difficulty that it was in the A model.
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I was still flying A-model 38s at HMN, and the difficulty was still there.
 
Here are a few I've done that were a little bit fun.

You're out of radar for both of these, and you usually get the arc.

http://www.airnav.com/depart?http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1008/05619LDADD.PDF

http://www.airnav.com/depart?http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1008/01238ILDY25.PDF

This one goes into gravel

http://www.airnav.com/depart?http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1008/06905N35.PDF

Always wanted to go here, never got to go:
http://www.airnav.com/depart?http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1008/09380NB.PDF

Same with this one, I always thought it'd be cool to fly a localizer into gravel:
http://www.airnav.com/depart?http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1008/01501LD1.PDF
 
Its the circle to land charts based off an ILS approach they have in there. I have done it in the level D sim in toledo, but not in real life.

Its alot of work just because you have to see the airport, bust out the other chart, then follow the circle instructions. There is also a funny hill around there too.
 
Some of these are only difficult because NACO doesn't know how to make a freakin' chart that's logically laid out.

Oh yeah, I went there.
 
I've done this one on a regular basis, including my commercial multi add-on (on one engine) and CFI-I checkrides.

http://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/1009/06664VDGA.PDF

VOR/DME or GPS-A at KEIK. You've got a 1250' radio antenna just east of the holding fix, and another 1165' antenna (unlighted for the past several months) very near the inbound course line. Plus you have to lose 720' of altitude in about a mile- even though the step down fix is 2 miles from the MAP, you need 1 mile visibility to be able to land and the MAP is directly over the end of the runway, so you want to be down to MDA while you're still 1 mile out. I try for about 1000'/minute. And no, I don't think I'd try it in actual IMC unless there was no chance of making it to BJC.
 
These are great used a few of them and they have stumped a few of my students. Time to work on approach plate briefings.
 
ppragman said:
Here are a few I've done that were a little bit fun.

You're out of radar for both of these, and you usually get the arc.

http://www.airnav.com/depart?http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1008/05619LDADD.PDF

http://www.airnav.com/depart?http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1008/01238ILDY25.PDF

This one goes into gravel

http://www.airnav.com/depart?http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1008/06905N35.PDF

Always wanted to go here, never got to go:
http://www.airnav.com/depart?http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1008/09380NB.PDF

Same with this one, I always thought it'd be cool to fly a localizer into gravel:
http://www.airnav.com/depart?http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1008/01501LD1.PDF
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I second PAPG. Bebop'ing around, balls-deep over the coastal range with the jagged mountains and glaciers doesn't sound too appealing in a single engine piston..hense why we always make our own, smaller arc when we practice it.
 
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