Did spins!

PeanuckleCRJ said:
All my students got to see a spin. Why? Because it may save their life. It wasn't part of the syllabus but everyone needs to be able to identify and recover without panic. Definitely accidentally got into an inverted one once in a 172. :) Dang thing wouldn't spin. Well.. i had a grown man grab my leg that day. Worth it.
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You did an inverted spin in a 172, or you happened to transition through an inverted attitude while entering a spin? Fairly significant difference :D
 
Congrats man! I did my last spin training this week...didn't puke either but had some interesting heaving moments on the way back
 
Jet said:
Awesome! I want to try one someday.
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Go out and get an instructor who knows what they're doing and give it a spin. (pun intended) :biggrin: I did mine in a 172. We had no problems spinning the plane. Looking back, one word of advice, eat something before you try them. Dont have an empty stomach and don't have a full stomach. Makes life a lot easier. I'm glad I had something in mine before I went.
 
Ajax BU said:
The CFI-I has no airplane rating, it is just flight instructor instrument. An instructor with a CFI-I only can not instruct instrument in an airplane until adding that class rating to their certificate. Because the certificate holds no airplane rating a spin endorsement is not required for the CFI-I. That said, the 2 year CFI eligibility requirements don't apply to CFI add-on ratings, so a wet ticket CFI could perform the endorsement(still, not saying it's a good idea).
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Yes, it is possible that an applicant that has earned their CFI-I as the initial can't teach in any aircraft until they hold the category and class on a commercial or ATP pilot certificate and flight instructor certificate. However, doesn't the certificate say "Flight Instructor - instrument airplane" or "Flight instructor - instrument helicopter" ?

61.195 (h)(2) states that the training for initial instructor certificate must be completed by a 2yr CFI.

The main topic of this LOI discusses what is considered aerobatic for the purposes of parachute requirements, although it mentions that spins are done for the purpose of the initial flight instructor certificate.

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...interpretations/data/interps/2012/Finagin.pdf

With those references, I'm not seeing how a initial CFI-I applicant can skip spin training, take the CFI-I practical exam and then receive it from a "junior" CFI-A. I could be wrong but I probably did 30-50 CFI spin training sessions last year for CFI applicants. Everyone one of them received training prior to the initial flight instructor check ride.
 
CFI A&P said:
Yes, it is possible that an applicant that has earned their CFI-I as the initial can't teach in any aircraft until they hold the category and class on a commercial or ATP pilot certificate and flight instructor certificate. However, doesn't the certificate say "Flight Instructor - instrument airplane" or "Flight instructor - instrument helicopter" ?

61.195 (h)(2) states that the training for initial instructor certificate must be completed by a 2yr CFI.

The main topic of this LOI discusses what is considered aerobatic for the purposes of parachute requirements, although it mentions that spins are done for the purpose of the initial flight instructor certificate.

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...interpretations/data/interps/2012/Finagin.pdf

With those references, I'm not seeing how a initial CFI-I applicant can skip spin training, take the CFI-I practical exam and then receive it from a "junior" CFI-A. I could be wrong but I probably did 30-50 CFI spin training sessions last year for CFI applicants. Everyone one of them received training prior to the initial flight instructor check ride.
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You're confusing instrument airplane for an airplane rating, that's just an instrument rating for airplanes. The same reason a CFII only can't teach in an airplane without the appropriate class rating is the same reason it isn't required if the CFII is done as the initial--because they do not hold nor are they applying for a certificate with an airplane rating.
 
Ajax BU said:
You're confusing instrument airplane for an airplane rating, that's just an instrument rating for airplanes. The same reason a CFII only can't teach in an airplane without the appropriate class rating is the same reason it isn't required if the CFII is done as the initial--because they do not hold nor are they applying for a certificate with an airplane rating.
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Still don't see it. The CFI-I practical exam was accomplished in an airplane, correct? As opposed to a helicopter. How can that not be a flight instructor with an airplane rating?

When you look at the "Additional Rating Table" on the instructor PTS doesn't it say "Flight Instructor Certificate and Rating Held" and then the options are:

ASE Airplane Single-Engine
AME Airplane Multiengine
RH Rotorcraft Helicopter
RG Rotorcraft Gyroplane
IAH Instrument Airplane/Helicopter

Have you successfully sent any students through a CFI initial practical exam with out the spin training? If so, what FSDO are you in? My FSDO, the adjacent FSDO and the DPE's from each will not conduct an initial flight instructor checkride unless the spin training has been accomplished.
 
CFI A&P said:
Still don't see it. The CFI-I practical exam was accomplished in an airplane, correct? As opposed to a helicopter. How can that not be a flight instructor with an airplane rating?

When you look at the "Additional Rating Table" on the instructor PTS doesn't it say "Flight Instructor Certificate and Rating Held" and then the options are:

ASE Airplane Single-Engine
AME Airplane Multiengine
RH Rotorcraft Helicopter
RG Rotorcraft Gyroplane
IAH Instrument Airplane/Helicopter

Have you successfully sent any students through a CFI initial practical exam with out the spin training? If so, what FSDO are you in? My FSDO, the adjacent FSDO and the DPE's from each will not conduct an initial flight instructor checkride unless the spin training has been accomplished.
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Then your FSDO isn't abiding by the regulations as written, which isn't surprising it's like a thousand headed monster, each office with its own brain. I had my spin endorsement before the CFII however, the applicant before me did not, he got his before the CFI-A

I don't understand what is so hard about seeing the difference between an instrument airplane and an airplane single-engine rating.
 
rframe said:
You did an inverted spin in a 172, or you happened to transition through an inverted attitude while entering a spin? Fairly significant difference :D
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I'd guess the latter.

I've never spun a 172 that didn't snap through an inverted attitude on it's way to entering the spin. Then again, those things suck for doing spins anyway.
 
pete2800 said:
I'd guess the latter.

I've never spun a 172 that didn't snap through an inverted attitude on it's way to entering the spin. Then again, those things suck for doing spins anyway.
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Really? I've never flown a 172 that would spin unless you HELD all of the control inputs wrong to get it into one on purpose.
 
z987k said:
Really? I've never flown a 172 that would spin unless you HELD all of the control inputs wrong to get it into one on purpose.
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Exactly. Full power, wait for the horn, pull back hard until you hit the stop and smash the left rudder. The thing will lazily roll over and then finally enter the ugliest spin I've ever seen.
 
Inverted said:
I would do spins almost daily, with sometimes multiple spin flights. I could spin all day.
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Hmmh, I'll be a girly man then :) The IUT patch at Training Wing 5 used to be an inverted T-34C in a spin, I assume now it's a T-6B Texan II, as we did spin after spin after spin. Then you go fly with students and they do spins, which means I did spins. I was so tired of spins. And I don't ever want to do one through a cloud. You are aerobatic stunt pilots are crazy :D
 
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