Did Anyone Else Hear About the Naked and Unruly Passenger Over Guard?

amorris311 said:
You didn't seem to mind when we flew together. ;)
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Perhaps the difference you've observed lies in the fact that if "guard" isn't tuned into COM2 by the time the crest of the radome passes the vertical plane extending up from the ramp non-movement/ground control line, I can sometimes observe the PIC's free hand tuning it in with lightning speed, even in the middle of a sharp turn or crossing a zipper road.

It's like yin and yang.

Yin: The guard nazi.
Yang: We must listen to the guard nazis.

Granted, this is a little bit embellished, but my monitoring-guard participation rate is higher than it used to be, for some reason.

Well, I tune it in, that is. But turning the volume up seems to create distractions more than anything else.
 
BCTAv8r said:
With no consequences, unfortunately.
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Ironically, the infrastructure exists for there to be consequences. Ever hear of a DF steer? If you're flying 121, all it would take is to DF you with two or three RCAGs, match it against radar and you're toast.

It would just take some ATC vs Lockheed Martin FSS cooperation. Fortunately for the offenders nobody in the government is that organized or cares enough to do this. But it would be pretty easy to make an example of some people if the problem got bad enough. Just some food for thought... :tinfoil::smoke:
 
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inigo88 said:
Ironically, the infrastructure exists for there to be consequences. Ever hear of a DF steer? If you're flying 121, all it would take is to DF you with two or three RCAGs, match it against radar and you're toast.

It would just take some ATC vs Lockheed Martin FSS cooperation. Fortunately for the offenders nobody in the government is that organized or cares enough to do this. But it would be pretty easy to make an example of some people if the problem got bad enough. Just some food for thought... :tinfoil::smoke:
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Installation of CVVR......Cockpit Video Voice Recorder. :tinfoil:
 
MikeD said:
Installation of CVVR......Cockpit Video Voice Recorder. :tinfoil:
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Fortunately nobody cares enough to do either. :)

I've had the SAR ELT DF training (as I'm sure you have too, along with LoJack?) so it just came to mind. Harder to do with a moving target obviously.
 
I imagine a world where if someone makes a mistake and broadcasts on guard, adults can figure "Huh, chances are if I yell "MMMMMGGEEEEAAAARD" he won't hear me anyway so I will let him sort it out naturally" and the "I'm bored, I'm going to say 'work work work' and/or play a song" goes away."

I would have liked to have seen Montana.
 
scooter2525 said:
Scooters mom is a SAINT!
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Roger Roger said:
Peeps just need to learn about 122.75.
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Can't tell if serious.

That's the CTAF for most of the airports around here. On a nice day like Saturday was, you couldn't make a position report to save your life (ironic choice of words, given the conditions and traffic that day.)
 
killbilly said:
Can't tell if serious.

That's the CTAF for most of the airports around here. On a nice day like Saturday was, you couldn't make a position report to save your life (ironic choice of words, given the conditions and traffic that day.)
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Check out AIM Table 4-1-2 and 4-1-3:
https://airresearch.com/Pilots/AIM-08//Chap4/aim0401.html#FB82e4ROBE

I bet you are confusing the national fixed wing air to air common 122.75 with a common UNICOM frequency 122.95 (usually used at airports with an operating control tower).

Helicopters also have a national air to air common on 123.025. Very active in LA and other places with a lot of helo traffic.
 
inigo88 said:
Check out AIM Table 4-1-2 and 4-1-3:
https://airresearch.com/Pilots/AIM-08//Chap4/aim0401.html#FB82e4ROBE

I bet you are confusing the national fixed wing air to air common 122.75 with a common UNICOM frequency 122.95 (usually used at airports with an operating control tower).

Helicopters also have a national air to air common on 123.025. Very active in LA and other places with a lot of helo traffic.
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Ah. I was close.

The CTAF I'm thinking of is 122.7, not 122.75.


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I figure it's like this.

Someone makes a mistake on guard at FL350.

The VHF "line of sight" is roughly a 250 mile radius circle.

Now if even three of those planes screamed "ERRRRMMMMYURONGEEEEEEARD" at the extremes of reception, now you've got potentially a 500 mile circle of everyone else getting stepped on, blocked, etc, and so on and so on.

So up and down the eastern seaboard, the frequency because of jackassery, the 'work work work' crowd and Guard Nazis is completely unusable and pretty much explodes whenever I'm in the middle of getting a call from ATC.

If someone's on guard, turn down the radio. Chances are, he can't hear you say "You're on guard".

When in doubt, SHUT THE HELL UP.
 
Another bit of trivia that a lot of people say but few cite, "FINGERS" 123.45 MHz isn't actually an air to air frequency. It's reserved for flight test operations (requiring an fcc license by the company using it). I would imagine the exception is internationally when specified (over the ocean, for instance).

The reg that governs it isn't an FAA rule at all. It is in the FCC's version of the FARs, 47 CFR (vs our 14 CFR).
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/87.303

They don't seem to enforce it though... Or do they? :tinfoil::tinfoil::tinfoil::tinfoil::tinfoil:
 
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