Diamond Star program?

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Must be nice sitting in the nice air conditioned cockpit of a RJ
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I don't know if you ever got to fly in the new Frascas that some of the locations have now (like the one in Jax Beach minus the wrap around and vented windows) but they put out a whole lot of heat.

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Yes, the ERJ does have good climate control....:)

Our sim in Vegas was hot too, but still better than the aircraft. In the summer the air temp is still over 100 degrees in the middle of the night. On the ILS into McCarran at 3am, the oil temps are usually at redline!
 
Well, lots to say, so little time ..... first off, Smittey no offense but you didn't exactly come off very nice either from what I read. You think that by breakin out your little calculator and doing some very simple math that you are going to show us something we don't already know. ALL FLIGHT SCHOOLS, FBOs or ACADEMYS are in business to make money, if they didn't make money they would not be in business and you would have nothing to B**CH about. I don't think you even understand like most people that it costs a lot of money to operate a flight school, Insurance is a biggy. Just think about owning a business, it is not easy. I know quite a few people who have went to ATP and have nothing but good things to say about the school. You are getting a lot for your money at ATP. I went the FBO route to get my Private and I spent around 6K, due to scheduling issues with instructors and other issues with the school management. Just remember, all these schools are a business first. They are not around just to help you achieve your dream of becoming a pilot. That my friend is up to you. Yes you will pay for it, as many pilots have before you. My wifes grandfather washed airplanes for flight training, so you pay for it in some way or another. As a matter of fact he actually owned and ran a flight school in California, and he has told me that he got out of the flight school business because there was no money in it, due to high operating costs. And he loves teaching aspiring pilots how to fly. So, get over it, and if you want to be a pilot you had better change your attitude, because it will be an even longer road ahead if you don't. Nuff said !!

Take care and good Luck

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"Your ATTITUDE not your APTITUDE will determine your ALTITUDE in LIFE !!
 
It seems like a big gamble with $32k. If the regionals keep expanding like they have been, you might just just in. I don't know how the regionals can keep expanding at their current rate. Almost nobody is moving to the majors and it appears it will stay that way for a while. Once the regionals stop expanding, minimums are going to skyrocket. You will then have to get you CFI's anyway. OK alot of speculation there but it just seems it's going to get worse before things take off again.
 
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It seems like a big gamble with $32k. If the regionals keep expanding like they have been, you might just just in. I don't know how the regionals can keep expanding at their current rate. Almost nobody is moving to the majors and it appears it will stay that way for a while. Once the regionals stop expanding, minimums are going to skyrocket. You will then have to get you CFI's anyway. OK alot of speculation there but it just seems it's going to get worse before things take off again.

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I think you're right. $32k is a big gamble. Hence my attitude in this forum. And I have talked to ATP grads who have nothing but good things to say about it, and I also talk to those who cant get a CFI job anywhere and ATP wont hire them. I apologize I guess I am a little partial to Ari-Ben.

And my attitude towards the breakdown of ATPs costs? I don't understand how this can effect my road to being a pilot. Analyzing costs? Ok...
 
Bro the flight instructing jobs are out there. You have to be willing to relocate in some situations, but thems the breaks. If they, or you for that matter, don't like it then I recommend you take a hard look at this flying thing because it's not exactly easy.
 
Read my post again. I was saying I have met people who cannot find CFI jobs who coincidently have gone to ATP, which ties in with my orginal post that talks about getting CFI ratings with the Direct Track program and how Ari-Ben students are offered jobs after completion. Not that I couldn't find a job. You misinterpreted my post or must not have read my earlier ones.
 
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I was saying I have met people who cannot find CFI jobs who coincidently have gone to ATP

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This is exactly what I'm talking about; if you can't find a job right now, you're not looking hard enough. This might not be true in 6 or 12 months or whenever the regionals stop hiring, but right now some places are having a hard time HOLDING ON TO instructors.

Ari students are not offered a job after their training; they are offered a chance to prove they are quality instructors with 2 students. Don't do well with those two and it's a short period of employment.
 
thank goodness some heartfelt people replied to this post... After going through the 90 day program myself for (34,995) before the price increase, I can tell you that it was well worth it, considering the [censored]-footing that I have seen in my past 5 months CFIing at our flight school- people take up to years to get their ratings. ATP has the right philosophy- do it now, do it everyday, and learn something. As long as you go into it with a hard working attitude, the ACPP is not a bad program. I can't say that I'm having the most fun CFIing up here in the northeast, but ATP definitely gave me the foundation. After flying and being in contact with the VP several times, I would hardly suspect that ATP is turning into the money-grubbing cash cow that Delta seemed to be.

Greetings to BobDuck as well, have not talked to you in a while!
 
I am an instructor for ATP. And although I am biased in regards to the company and the products offered, the diamond program is great for some students. Just like any program out there, there are some that will work for you and some that don't. ATP is a fast-paced program that gets all of your training and ratings in a short period of time. I started flying with ATP in April, received my private, started the career pilot course in May and finished my training in August. I was hired in September as an instructor for private singles, and now have over 500 hours, 220 multi-engine. I have +40 actual, and with getting 80-110 hours a month should be applying by the end of February or early March, once I complete the CRJ course. 11 months from 0 to Airline is better than most can do at most other flight schools. There are some that can, but I only paid $6995 for my private and $37995 my career pilot training. Housing was included for all of my training, rental cars, hotels on Cross-countries. It is a flight school ran like an airline, by airline pilots. Most flight schools promise the same amount of hours, over 12-18 months and cost +$75,000. And that price is an average. At ATP the price on the brochure is what I paid.
As far as the Diamond program, some people have money and don't want to instruct. I am not one of those persons. You can go from 0 to 555 TT, 140 multi, 50 hours in a CRJ sim, and apply for some of the regionals within 6-7 months. There are two guys on interviews with Express Jet with 500-550 hours, who did the CRJ course. The Diamond program is a bypass. It isn't for everybody,but if you don't get hired you can still get your CFI, CFII, CFIMEI for $4995 and still have an extra $5005 less than you paid for the Diamond program. Either way you are closer to the airlines, if that is what you are looking for. So if you paid $37995 for your carrer pilot program, $37995 for the diamond program, and get hired. Or you could not get hired, be refunded $10,000, do the CFI program and pay $70,985, Still less than $75,000-$100,000 and in less time. I am not bashing any of the other flight schools. ATP is not for everyone, but determined, hard working, hard studying students will get there faster.
 
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It seems like a big gamble with $32k. If the regionals keep expanding like they have been, you might just just in. I don't know how the regionals can keep expanding at their current rate. Almost nobody is moving to the majors and it appears it will stay that way for a while. Once the regionals stop expanding, minimums are going to skyrocket. You will then have to get you CFI's anyway. OK alot of speculation there but it just seems it's going to get worse before things take off again

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Hey Bryan, I went through the ATP career pilot program then I instructed for them. Now I'm flying the AVRO for Mesaba. I started the career pilot program when things were really slow (no hiring at all at the regionals). My thought was that the best time to be training is when nobody is hiring. However, students now are getting hired away from ATP with only 500 hours total time. Now is a good time to jump in if you are thinking about it. It's kind of like having kids: if you wait until you can afford them you will never have kids. Sometimes you just have to 'go for it' (to quote Rocky).
 
Congrats Soonermurph! Thanks for the encouragement. I am looking at ATP this winter for the CFI full meal deal and see what happens from there.
 
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