DFW - Envoy or PSA
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ozziecat35
4 out of 5 great lakes prefer Michigan.
For Envoy, 175's are in DFW and the 200's and 145's are ORD right? I'm building my Chicago list for in base regionals.
CFIscare
Well-Known Member
If by 200's, you mean 700's, that is correct. And if by 700's, you mean the fleet that will eventually be given to PSA, that is correct.
ozziecat35
4 out of 5 great lakes prefer Michigan.
Thanks... at this point I'm not sure what I want to do...135 or 121. Wife and I are planning on relocating to GRR in the next two years anyways, so at that point, living in base becomes a moot point. 3 Envoy flights a day GRR-DFW, so that could work as well.
Soku39
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That is a long ride on regional metal, and scheduling is always subject to change.
Autothrust Blue
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CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
So I talked to a buddy of mine who lives in DFW. He's been at Envoy for nearly two years and is still on reserve in ORD. He said he gets junior manned all the time and the contractual days off are only 8-9 days. This sounds horrible.
chrisreedrules
Master Blaster
That's because the schedules / lines at Envoy are terrible. I wish for the sake of their pilots they would fix them.
Soku39
Well-Known Member
As if PSA's are any better?
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Contractual days off are a bunch better than 8 or 9. If junior manned you get the days back. I thought the same was the case at Envoy.
bLizZuE
Calling for engine starts en français
It's 11.
Return days are a thing.
Our schedules suck.
Drive to work is always better than commuting.
Beep
Well-Known Member
You might want to talk to your buddy again, ask them if they were serious, or just frustrated about some things and venting.
What fleet are they on?
Do they bid reserve, or cherry pick the bid packet?
Are they commuting and calling it 8-9 days off because of start/finish times. And the WX occasionally messing up a commute?
If they've been denied return days on the month of, and month following the JM have they contacted the union about this?
i think they should essentially " show their work " if they're going to make these claims.
chrisreedrules
Master Blaster
Uh, they actually are. But I wasn't trying to get into some sort of contest. I genuinely hope you guys get better schedules.
ozziecat35
4 out of 5 great lakes prefer Michigan.
I heard that the 175 at Envoy gives you a guaranteed line w/ no reserve? Seems too good to be true.
tbstanto
Well-Known Member
My schedule at PSA is really pretty good.
J Cole
Well-Known Member
Having commuted to LGA/JFK and lived in base, I have to say that living in base is so much better, I would consider it a different job. That said, here is the scoop on Envoy:
Reserve rules right now need to be worked on as it is full of weird loopholes used by both pilots and crew scheduling. The minimum contractual days off is 11 and this is how all reserve lines are built. If you are taken below 11 days off, you will get return days or return day pay. I did 3 and 1/2 years of reserve (3 of it in base) and my biggest impression of it is that it is unpredictable. You never know day one whether you will get a day trip or a five day trip. Over all, staffing has been good on the FO side for the last 2 years. I virtually never flew more than 40 hours in a reserve month and had plenty where I flew less than 20.
As a reserve FO, I probably averaged 6-8 junior mans a year.
Right now there are big pros and cons for the different fleets. The EMB will give you more base options (DFW, ORD, LGA), the CRJ will lock you into ORD, and the E75 will lock you into DFW. The EMB and CRJ pay $5,000 more ($22,100 vs $17,100) than the E75 for the signing bonus.
The E75 has new hires getting hard lines off of IOE right now and there is more movement on that airplane.
Right now the lines aren't very good. Everything is 4 day trips and many lines have only 11 days off with 2 days off in between trips.
Otherwise, morale is improving and there is real movement on the seniority list. The company has said (so take this with a grain of salt) that they expect 90 upgrades a quarter next year. The upgrade time has dropped from 8 years to 5.5 years in 6 months and will likely continue to fall. The crews are generally great and the aircraft are well maintained.
Reserve rules right now need to be worked on as it is full of weird loopholes used by both pilots and crew scheduling. The minimum contractual days off is 11 and this is how all reserve lines are built. If you are taken below 11 days off, you will get return days or return day pay. I did 3 and 1/2 years of reserve (3 of it in base) and my biggest impression of it is that it is unpredictable. You never know day one whether you will get a day trip or a five day trip. Over all, staffing has been good on the FO side for the last 2 years. I virtually never flew more than 40 hours in a reserve month and had plenty where I flew less than 20.
As a reserve FO, I probably averaged 6-8 junior mans a year.
Right now there are big pros and cons for the different fleets. The EMB will give you more base options (DFW, ORD, LGA), the CRJ will lock you into ORD, and the E75 will lock you into DFW. The EMB and CRJ pay $5,000 more ($22,100 vs $17,100) than the E75 for the signing bonus.
The E75 has new hires getting hard lines off of IOE right now and there is more movement on that airplane.
Right now the lines aren't very good. Everything is 4 day trips and many lines have only 11 days off with 2 days off in between trips.
Otherwise, morale is improving and there is real movement on the seniority list. The company has said (so take this with a grain of salt) that they expect 90 upgrades a quarter next year. The upgrade time has dropped from 8 years to 5.5 years in 6 months and will likely continue to fall. The crews are generally great and the aircraft are well maintained.
CLTflyer
Well-Known Member
Mine as well. Can't complain.
Phantom017
Up up and awaaaaayyy!
lol No there is no "guaranteed line w/ no reserve" on the 175. Right now new hires are getting lines on them very quickly where some on the 145 are on reserve a year or more out. So yes way better... but not insta line. Probably a couple 3-4 months as of right now.
It is (to good to be true). They have to have a way to staff sick calls and out of place crews, etc.
Beefy McGee
Well-Known Member
Mine too.