Derived Alternate Minimums

HumbleSiPilot77

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Hello folks,

I am going to be writing a paper on "Derived Alternate Minimums" for school (ASU Senior, currently training for inital CFI) and I am assuming this is a 121/135 operator specific thing. Gotta be 5 pages and I have no clue what to write about, I appreciate assistance and guidance on this from my airline pilot friends.
 
Look up ops specs 3585 and C-55, in addition to ops spec C-59/c54. Also look at exemption 10184 and 10084. If that doesn't meet 5 pages it's a tragedy. It's All the pieces of 91.175 IN ADDITION to alternate mins. Put Alll of it together and you get standard 1-2-3 rules, plus all that can be done in the 121 field. Can't talk for 135, but your brain will be engaged with the posted FAR's and exemptions for 121.
 
Look up ops specs 3585 and C-55, in addition to ops spec C-59/c54. Also look at exemption 10184 and 10084. If that doesn't meet 5 pages it's a tragedy. It's All the pieces of 91.175 IN ADDITION to alternate mins. Put Alll of it together and you get standard 1-2-3 rules, plus all that can be done in the 121 field. Can't talk for 135, but your brain will be engaged with the posted FAR's and exemptions for 121.
The ops specs for 135 and 121 are identical, word for word.
3585 is an exemption and I've never heard of a 135 operation with it. C055 is the opspec he's looking for.
 
Five pages on derived alternate mins. Ok....well, I would use the first page to write about 1 navaid 2 navaid then give some examples and attach the relevant charts to the next 4 pages.
 
Here's an old copy of C055 from a former job. Only page 2 will have different names depending on the carrier.
 

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Seeing as the op spec is half a page, good luck with that. Maybe you could find some accidents where someone followed it to a "T", and still wound up having a 0/0 day.
 
***HINT*** Change page margins .05 less. Also, the BIG ONE, select all periods and change the period font size to 15 from 12. It isn't noticeable to the naked eye and will add about an extra full page to your writing without extra characters or words. Only way I got through college, sign me up Delta!
 
Hello folks,

I am going to be writing a paper on "Derived Alternate Minimums" for school (ASU Senior, currently training for inital CFI) and I am assuming this is a 121/135 operator specific thing. Gotta be 5 pages and I have no clue what to write about, I appreciate assistance and guidance on this from my airline pilot friends.

There isn't five pages worth of information related to "Derived Alternate Minimums." My god.

The mnemonic is "1-4-1 and 2-2-and a half." That's how I remember the contents of the chart anyway, regardless, good luck doing 5 pages on that, the OpSpec is barely a page.
 
There isn't five pages worth of information related to "Derived Alternate Minimums." My god.

The mnemonic is "1-4-1 and 2-2-and a half." That's how I remember the contents of the chart anyway, regardless, good luck doing 5 pages on that, the OpSpec is barely a page.
He could pull up the relevant stuff in the 8900.1 and talk about that, then talk about the exemptions. That might make a page.
 
Thank you so much for all the responses. The paper is due November 25 so I just wanted to start collecting the information slowly but surely. I will post a draft here prior to turning it in so we can discuss how it looks...
 
Don't forget the "other" 1-2-3 Rules.

LGA: One cloud in the sky, two planes in the hold, 3000 extra pounds of gas.

I'm not taking credit for that though!
 
He could pull up the relevant stuff in the 8900.1 and talk about that, then talk about the exemptions. That might make a page.

I he could get at least another page out of GPS alternates and the stuff you need for that too if he was long winded enough.
 
Hello folks,

I am going to be writing a paper on "Derived Alternate Minimums" for school (ASU Senior, currently training for inital CFI) and I am assuming this is a 121/135 operator specific thing. Gotta be 5 pages and I have no clue what to write about, I appreciate assistance and guidance on this from my airline pilot friends.

I work as an airline dispatcher and use derived alternate minimums daily. Derived alternate minimums is an operations specification (CO55) that can be issued to Part 121 air carrier. It allows the carrier(s) to create their own alternate minimums instead of using either what is published on the charts, or the standard alternate minimums.

5 pages is easy. Start with a description of what an alternate airport is, and the regulatory requirements behind it. Then introduce the Ops Spec, describe what it is, and it's applicability. Explain the provisions of the Ops Spec, and describe how it is applied in air carrier opertions. Then give some examples of how it is applied. If anything, I think you'll have a hard time keeping it to 5 pages.

Since you're training as a CFI, think of the paper as a lesson you would present to a student. Feel welcome to PM me if you have any questions.
 
You could also throw in marginal weather as it pertains to alternates.....good fluff in there as well.

Derek
 
The ops specs for 135 and 121 are identical, word for word.
3585 is an exemption and I've never heard of a 135 operation with it. C055 is the opspec he's looking for.
I don't think any 135's have 3585. It may be a 121 only thing. That's being said, I'm glad I never have to explain it again.
 
I work as an airline dispatcher and use derived alternate minimums daily. Derived alternate minimums is an operations specification (CO55) that can be issued to Part 121 air carrier. It allows the carrier(s) to create their own alternate minimums instead of using either what is published on the charts, or the standard alternate minimums.
All certificated carriers - 121, 125, 135, 91k have ops specs and C055 certainly does not allow a carrier to create their own alternate minimums. You can only use what is on C055, which is identical for every carrier.
 
All certificated carriers - 121, 125, 135, 91k have ops specs and C055 certainly does not allow a carrier to create their own alternate minimums. You can only use what is on C055, which is identical for every carrier.

I'm reasonably certain that everyone else on this thread knew exactly what I meant. But for the benefit of the original poster,
allow me to revise and extend my remarks...

Ops. Spec. C055 allows the air carrier, or more specifically their dispatchers, to use published landing minimums from authorized instrument approaches as a baseline from which to extrapolate (derive) their authorized alternate minimums. That is to say, to determine if such-and-such airport can be listed as an alternate airport on the dispatch release.

Better?
 
Five pages on derived alternate mins. Ok....well, I would use the first page to write about 1 navaid 2 navaid then give some examples and attach the relevant charts to the next 4 pages.
Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
And they give "Accredited" schools a discount on ATP mins... yay! Every day in every way the world is getting better and better.
Alternately... "Once upon a time at an airport far, far away there was a 100ft ceiling... ..."
 
You could explain the difference between ETOPS alternate mins and destination alternate mins. Takeoff alternates have their own requirement to be no more than one in still air with one engine inop. To make it easy for dispatchers and pilots, carriers normally derive a mileage equivalence to the one hour with single engine. Drift down alternates can sometimes be required as well. Explaining the two methods of terrain clearance in that explanation can add some extra fluff.

For Part 121 passenger carriers, the alternate used must be in the C70 as a regular, alternate, provisional or refueling airport.

One added benefit of the Ops Specs for carriers with planes that can do single engine CAT II and CAT III approaches is that alternates mins are reduced for airport that have those approaches. I.e. if you have a B777 and are planing to use an alternate that has a CAT III approach, the alternate mins will be 200 and 1/2sm.

Most carriers also require wind gusts to be taken into account for alternate legally. For dispatch to a destination airport, sustained winds are generally used to determine legality to dispatch.

For flag dispatching, you can dispatch to a destination airport that is forecast to be below landing minimums as long as you have a legal alternate. Under flag rules, flights over 6 hours require an alternate. However, through Ops Spec B44 you can dispatch without an alternate to your final destination as long as the time from your re-dispatch point is less than 6 hours. Your re-dispatch airport will need an alternate though.

When an alternate is required differs between flag and domestic as well.

If you research some foreign countries regulations, you can talk about how other countries regulate alternate minimums. you can make 5 pages easy on this stuff.
 
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