Departure Priority

NJA_Capt said:
I hear you. I do not believe in "first come first serve." That's what everyone says, but not what I observe. I have been #1 holding short at SLC with no one else around and held while the ENTIRE PUSH comes off the terminal and departs. After the last airliner leaves we (and the rest of the corp planes) are allowed to takeoff.

Or...A Citation X and a CRJ both going from LEX to CLT, both number 1 for takeoff from opposite sides of the runway. Which plane do you launch first, the Pinto or the Ferrari? You guessed it. The Pinto (CRJ), goes first while we are speed restricted the entire way and then vectored 40 miles past CLT to let a few more CRJs get in front of us. It turned a :30 min flight into 1:00+.

Or...Climb/speed limited behind a plane climbing at 500fpm (an slow to boot) when we need to get to altitude to make max range projections. We plan (try to plan) on at least reaching FL410 in the first :30

I could rattle off stories like this all day. The point is, if you don't have a name stenciled on your plane, you go last. Typically we are asked to decrease cruise speed 15% to "get in trail." Would ARTCC ever think of asking a DAL 757 at FL410 to slow 15% to .64 - .68M to get in trail???
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Ditto. It's really frustrating at times, especially when can climb an average of 2500 to 3000+ FPM all the way up to altitude (usually 430 or 450) and get step climbed because we're in trail or converging with an airplane climbing at 500-1500 FPM. Speed can be frustrating as well. Since we are always utilizing the max range of our airplane, early descents are a real pain as well. Every time we arrive into Orange County from the east via the KAYOH4.PSP we are asked to descend like 300 miles out. That sucks. Most of the time when we request to stay high as long as possible, they give it to us, it's those times they don't that can cause problems. ATC service is definitely deteriorating as time goes by. It's seems like they just don't care or don't try to help us be as efficient as possible.

We were departing SNA the other day. We wanted to try and get out as close to 0700 as possible. Knowing there would be a line-up, we taxiied out at 0635 to get a good spot in line with the airliners. The controller informed us we would be number seven for departure. Great! We'll take it. Well at about 0720 we departed about number 20 behind a ton of airliners that hadn't even pushed, let alone called for taxi when we got to the runway. It was totally pointless for us to even try. We should've just taxiied out at 0715, the result would've been the same. Oh well.....
 
Toria said:
Yep. :D That is what made him so naughty!
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If he were a gentleman, he would of allowed the pretty lady in the Cessna to go first! Just another misguided example of "bigger is better" thinking. If I discover the schmuck who was working this trip, I will have a friendly chat with him about how to treat ladies. :rolleyes:
 
calcapt said:
If he were a gentleman, he would of allowed the pretty lady in the Cessna to go first! Just another misguided example of "bigger is better" thinking. If I discover the schmuck who was working this trip, I will have a friendly chat with him about how to treat ladies. :rolleyes:
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Good to see you back to your usual self Calcapt. :rolleyes: :D
 
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