Demand for pilots sky-high

I'll bet if they would raise the pay for pilots, there'd be a lot more people looking to do it.

Hell, man, I love flying as much as the next guy, but why the hell should I give up my nice cushy gig in order to do more work for a third of the pay?
 
There is NOTHING wrong with first year pay being 'low' at Majors. That is the way it should be. Once you get to second year pay, that is a whole different story!

I agree, however, pay should not be so low as to not be livable. In my book no one can survive on $18,000/year. A more reasonable wage would be in the low $30,000s. That's not an unreasonable sum, in my opinion.
 
Seggy said:
Because, throughout the history of the airlines, first year is a 'probabtionary period'. You have to pay your dues with first year pay, no union protection,!
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<Unnecessary personal slam removed. :( >

What we really need is an overall higher payscale ESPECIALLY first year or two. 21/ hour is not going to cut it. 35 should be first year pay and on. Unless the companies don't realize this then they're not even going to find commercial pilots let alone 1000 hour ones. I mean it's just crazy when a company has trouble finding peple they don't lower the requirements they give more benefits and higher pay. That's why people should continue to support airlines like Skywest who continue to keep their mins even if they can't find anybody.
 
Something's gonna have to give... with airlines parking airplanes and JetBlue shutting down their entire 190 ops for nearly 3 days because of a lack of crews, it's hit a critical mass.

I took the ATC job, a job that I would not rather of have taken, because it paid a lot better than any flying job out there. My first year pay: $36,000.
 
PurduePilot said:
I agree, however, pay should not be so low as to not be livable. In my book no one can survive on $18,000/year. A more reasonable wage would be in the low $30,000s. That's not an unreasonable sum, in my opinion.
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fly8slep said:
<Unnecessary personal slam removed. :( >


What we really need is an overall higher payscale ESPECIALLY first year or two. 21/ hour is not going to cut it. 35 should be first year pay and on. Unless the companies don't realize this then they're not even going to find commercial pilots let alone 1000 hour ones. I mean it's just crazy when a company has trouble finding peple they don't lower the requirements they give more benefits and higher pay. That's why people should continue to support airlines like Skywest who continue to keep their mins even if they can't find anybody.
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Folks I am NOT talking about Skywest here, I am talking about the legacy carriers. I have said it once and will say it again. Making 30-35 bucks an hour for your FIRST year at a legacy carrier, NOTHING wrong with that. Second year pay, it should be in the low to mid 90s.

As someone who is looking close to a two year upgrade at a place that has second year pay at 22 an hour don't preach to me on how I like to take it from the company, you misread what I wrote there buddy.

It is disgusting what the regionals are paying for first year pay, buy my post wasn't talking about the regionals, I was talking about the legacy places.
 
PurduePilot said:
I agree, however, pay should not be so low as to not be livable. In my book no one can survive on $18,000/year. A more reasonable wage would be in the low $30,000s. That's not an unreasonable sum, in my opinion.
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At what major do you make $18,000/year? From what I've seen, at most majors you will make in the high 20k figures then your second year will be 40k-50k.
 
B767 said:
Seggy mentioned the majors, which is the topic you quoted as saying you will only make 18k/ year.
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I think what they are getting caught up in is that today a 'major' could be considered a place like Skywest, ExpressJet in terms of revenue and other factors.

A 'Legacy' is a Delta, UPS, FEDEX, Continental, UAL, AA, etc..
 
Seggy said:
Because, throughout the history of the airlines, first year is a 'probabtionary period'. You have to pay your dues with first year pay, no union protection, and doing the airport appreciation tour with reserve. Once you get past your first year, the thought is you can function at the company, and they reward you with good pay and protection.
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It should have read...

Because, throughout the history of the LEGACY airlines, first year is a 'probationary period'. You have to pay your dues with first year pay, no union protection, and doing the airport appreciation tour with reserve. Once you get past your first year, the thought is you can function at the company, and they reward you with good pay and protection.
 
B767 said:
At what major do you make $18,000/year? From what I've seen, at most majors you will make in the high 20k figures then your second year will be 40k-50k.
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I think a new Delta pilot is going to start out at between $40-60k. Not a miserable, $25k. Someone correct me if I'm wrong about DAL probationary pay!
 
I think you're right about Delta. That's why I said "most." Delta is 40k-50k and I think US Air is 23k (unless you fly the EMB190-which is actually higher pay than the bigger equipment for first year).
 
Seggy said:
Because, throughout the history of the airlines, first year is a 'probabtionary period'. You have to pay your dues with first year pay, no union protection, and doing the airport appreciation tour with reserve. Once you get past your first year, the thought is you can function at the company, and they reward you with good pay and protection.

There are also no first year captains at any Major.

There is NOTHING wrong with first year pay being 'low' at Majors. That is the way it should be. Once you get to second year pay, that is a whole different story!
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DE727UPS said:
First year at UPS, 33K. Second year F/O, 96K.
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Thanks Don, I was going to turn around and ask for Second Year. How much did it go up, the same $33/hr? Also, wouldn't a street captain come in as a First year CA? (Seggys comment above).
 
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