CirrusMonkey
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Delta's New 717
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Area 5150
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Networking 101 right there!! Thumbs up!
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Five years ago? Hell yeah. Today? Not so much. Just not interested in being back at the bottom of a seniority list again. Besides, I'm making too much money outside of aviation now. The pay cut would be extreme, and I'm running a successful and growing company. I'm happy doing what I'm doing, and I'll continue enjoying aviation on the general aviation side. I loved my time at AirTran, and I'll always look back fondly on it, despite the battles with management. Hell, I even enjoyed a lot of my time at Gulfsteam and Pinnacle. But I think aviation as a career is about over for me. It was a good run, though.
Five years ago? Hell yeah. Today? Not so much. Just not interested in being back at the bottom of a seniority list again. Besides, I'm making too much money outside of aviation now. The pay cut would be extreme, and I'm running a successful and growing company. I'm happy doing what I'm doing, and I'll continue enjoying aviation on the general aviation side. I loved my time at AirTran, and I'll always look back fondly on it, despite the battles with management. Hell, I even enjoyed a lot of my time at Gulfsteam and Pinnacle. But I think aviation as a career is about over for me. It was a good run, though.
Congrats on having that option, bro!
Stay frosty!
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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No, my seniority is actually pretty decent on the AirTran side. I'm about middle of the FO list, so I get holidays off, weekends off (when I want them), etc. But the merged list was a result of a cram-down with our jobs being threatened if we didn't take it, so I moved from middle of the FO list based at home to just barely being able to avoid reserve on the west coast. The average loss of relative seniority for our pilots was 22%, with many losing over 30%. All of the captains are getting bumped back to the right seat.
Area 5150
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How many folks have you "Internet Pimp Slapped" for falsely suggesting that "You got a raise and a leather jacket!"?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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How many folks have you "Internet Pimp Slapped" for falsely suggesting that "You got a raise and a leather jacket!"?
Let's just say that my pimp hand is sore.
PeanuckleCRJ
Poodle Wrangler
The 717 has been it's own category for a couple of months.
It was supposed to "debut" quite a while ago, but there were some issues so all of that flying dropped into the NYC A320 category virtually overnight.
I guess it was more of a challenge getting that @ATN_Pilot stench out of the cockpit than MX realized.
Apparently our guys have been doing bounces in a AirTran painted 717 under the supervision of a AirTran 717 guy. He jumpseated with us yesterday to PIT. Super nice guy!
A bunch of the 717 trips dropped into ATL 320 time as well. We're back to summer flying levels in october! Keep the green slips flowing, and the 717 guys can keep the beards growing.
I keep hearing the FAA is blaming the holdup on sequestration. I haven't heard that excuse in a few months...
Let's just say that my pimp hand is sore.
It's hard bein' a pimp, Trick!
Area 5150
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Damn, seeing the big picture now. I can only imagine that there is some serious animosity.
Work so long to be in a command position only to get crammed down a list and having to lose rank as well.
Is it, was it like this for all these other mergers? Last I heard was that when AA acquired TWA, many of the TWA staff was basically screwed over by AA. I don't know that for fact, but it's just what I heard.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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The TWA pilots got screwed, no doubt. But theirs was a soft, gentle screwing, compared to our brutal raping. No one has gotten it as bad as us except for TranStar Airlines and Morris Air, which were both other seniority cram-downs from SWA. Don't believe their cutesy public image. These people are ruthless. Worse than any of the Lorenzo stooges I've dealt with over the years. And that's really saying something.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Damn, man, tell us how you really feel!
I'm actually holding back. Wait till you hear me really let loose after I have a few drinks in me in Vegas.
I'm actually holding back. Wait till you hear me really let loose after I have a few drinks in me in Vegas.
Very much looking forward to a cocktail and a Rocky Patel with you.
You old guys are on a whole different level of drinking.
Area 5150
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Man, I feel for ya. It's a shat situation for sure. And here I thought SWA was this super badass company to be involved in.
Well, hope you keep flying in some type capacity! And, you have a new business growing, bro, you're doing all the right things it sounds like to me!
Area 5150
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Mike, you'll be 21 before you know it. You too will be on level.......
Due time!
Getting crowns with coke brought to me and watching SEC football!!!
DE727UPS
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"And here I thought SWA was this super badass company to be involved in"
They are.
There's two sides to every story. No SWA pilots post here to tell the other side. Look, a huge airline with a non-ALPA pilot group bought out a small airline with an ALPA pilot group. In such a situation, with the difference in unions, the dominate pilot group is likely to...dominate. SWA management has a history of working with and backing it's employee groups that no other airline can match. Herb used to say "the customer isn't always right". Now, that was a long time ago, but I've personally seen how SWA peeps day in, day out, seem to enjoy their jobs and go out of their way to be helpful. Pilots pushing wheelchairs is something I don't see anywhere else. It's part of the culture there and they hire guys with the attitude. Call it koolaide, but they are a successful airline because of how they treat their employees. I've seen F/A's at Delta and American that hate where they work so much it shows. You won't find that at SWA.
ATN is disgruntled. He has his reasons. But you must read his stuff with the prejudice he will admit he has. He hates SWA.
You could look at it another way. With all the buyouts and consolidation where would AirTran end up? Times turn bad again and they could easily have gone down. SWA will be around. I'm not saying AirTran guys should be overjoyed with how things played out. But SWA did what they had to do to protect the masses and it was a good business decision if you look at it from their standpoint.
They are.
There's two sides to every story. No SWA pilots post here to tell the other side. Look, a huge airline with a non-ALPA pilot group bought out a small airline with an ALPA pilot group. In such a situation, with the difference in unions, the dominate pilot group is likely to...dominate. SWA management has a history of working with and backing it's employee groups that no other airline can match. Herb used to say "the customer isn't always right". Now, that was a long time ago, but I've personally seen how SWA peeps day in, day out, seem to enjoy their jobs and go out of their way to be helpful. Pilots pushing wheelchairs is something I don't see anywhere else. It's part of the culture there and they hire guys with the attitude. Call it koolaide, but they are a successful airline because of how they treat their employees. I've seen F/A's at Delta and American that hate where they work so much it shows. You won't find that at SWA.
ATN is disgruntled. He has his reasons. But you must read his stuff with the prejudice he will admit he has. He hates SWA.
You could look at it another way. With all the buyouts and consolidation where would AirTran end up? Times turn bad again and they could easily have gone down. SWA will be around. I'm not saying AirTran guys should be overjoyed with how things played out. But SWA did what they had to do to protect the masses and it was a good business decision if you look at it from their standpoint.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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DE727UPS said:
Wrong. SWA signed a process agreement that included arbitration if the pilots couldn't come to a deal. Instead of sticking to their word, they threw the agreement out the window and started issuing threats if we didn't take their cram-down. This from an airline that claims that their number one guiding principal is "the golden rule."
Sorry, Don, but you can't spin this one.