falconvalley
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Delta Upgrade Time Vol. II
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* From the bossman:
As of January 1, 2015:
12,431 pilots currently on the seniority list.
The most junior captain on the latest vacancy award is #10,634 on the list
86% of our pilot group can how hold captain.
* I didn't curate the statistics, I'm just reporting them.
As of January 1, 2015:
12,431 pilots currently on the seniority list.
The most junior captain on the latest vacancy award is #10,634 on the list
86% of our pilot group can how hold captain.
* I didn't curate the statistics, I'm just reporting them.
Beefy McGee
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If you don't mind, can you explain that a bit? I am about to enter the 121 world and don't know how it all works.
I would have figured the Captain/FO split to be a lot closer to 50/50 or maybe 60/40 if you have a fair amount of captains in training or management positions. How does it get to be 86% captains?
And does that mean there are not enough FOs to staff flights, and your airline sticks captains in those seats?
Basically, with the distribution of captain seats throughout the sample of 12,431 total pilots, the lowest seniority captain is approximately in the top 86% of that list.
So, in a real basic sense, if your seniority is between 1 and 10,634 you could have held a captain seat on the last vacancy award if you had chosen to.
It's not a 50-50 split. But the above figures are skewed because there are a lot of relatively senior FO's that chose not to upgrade for various reasons.
So, in a real basic sense, if your seniority is between 1 and 10,634 you could have held a captain seat on the last vacancy award if you had chosen to.
It's not a 50-50 split. But the above figures are skewed because there are a lot of relatively senior FO's that chose not to upgrade for various reasons.
Cptnchia
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You talking bout me?
motormadness24
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WMostellar
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Ahem...
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
You too?
WMostellar
Well-Known Member
ATL 330 B - Nice trips, decent Reserve...I'd have to hold ATL 73N A to move. That will be a long time with the migration.
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Cptnchia
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Screaming_Emu
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If none of you guys want to be Delta captains I'll gladly volunteer.
Maximilian_Jenius
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Interested in the 717? Why don't they make the 88/90 and the 717 a common category?
That wouldn't be a good idea.
motormadness24
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As in how it's not a good idea to hand fly?
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Explain?
Beefy McGee
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121 newb questions: if that junior captain was somehow senior enough to bid FO on the 777, how would he be paid? His old captain rate or the new FO rate? If he had been paid more as a captain on another aircraft, and decided to bid FO, would he have to take a pay cut?
Awwww camaaaaan, what would have been a better way to put that?
Some choose not to upgrade because of the trappings of being a senior FO, childcare, not wanting to potentially pay more child support (I know a guy!), bases, commuting, or that they would just miss the flipping walrus show at the AMS layover hotel with the rotund pilots with the Hapsburg-era ALPAstahes.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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I may have the same type, and I could probably BS my way through getting a Mad Dog from Point A to Point B. But it wouldn't be pretty. The cockpits are incredibly different. A whole lot of the systems that are automated on the 717 are old school on the -88. Take a look at the threads on APC where the DAL newhires are bitching about all of the work that they have to do in the right seat of the -88. That's all non-existent on the 717. It basically does everything for you. Having crews switch back and forth between airplanes that are so different in the cockpit philosophy, even if the underlying systems are the same, it generally a bad idea.
Probably like making a DC-9 and an MD-88/90 a common category. I can probably still fly the -88/90 blindfolded, but damn, the -9 scares the bejeezus out of me. I could maybe shoot a pattern, but even turning on the autopilot would be like sea serpents and bra clasps.