Delta TA

Presumptive.

We have a much older pilot group after 2012. Remember most folks over the age of 50 that had 25 years in jumped ship lickety split after 2001 and again during bankruptcy because of the dissolution of the defined benefit program.

Merger with NWA happens, a group that largely kept their DB program in place that didn't have the exodus of "more senior" pilots.

Old people break down more. I know. I are one.

We're older, work more and work longer.

66.49 years then, on average, we're dead.

Senior executives briefed the MEC numerous times this year regarding their concerns about the rate of increased sick leave usage since implementation of the C2012 contract. They also made it clear that this was a very high priority issue for them in these negotiations. Because of this, ALPA reviewed the Company’s data and then conducted an independent analysis of sick leave usage at Delta and around the industry. That data showed that sick leave usage at Delta has increased about 30% since 2012. The statistics also showed that a small number of pilots, about 20%, use over 50% of the sick leave hours. In addition, this group of high users has dramatically grown in size since 2012. The data, however, showed no statistical difference that could explain the increased usage. Some of the categories we looked at were age, seniority, base, aircraft, international versus domestic, and captain versus first officer. Like the pilots at Delta, our peers in the industry are also getting older and experiencing many of the same health issues that we all experience. However, their sick leave usage has essentially been flat since 2011. Given this information, our goal was to minimize the impact of sick leave changes to the vast majority of pilots.

At the road show, someone challenged that the increased sick time cause likely is due to Delta having increased amounts of pilots 60 and older. The Union rebutted that that independent study found that the average Delta pilot age 60-65 called in sick less than the 20% group. You should have seen the chart that showed the significant spike of sick calls in May(Sick bank is use it or lose it, resets Jun 1st).

Numbers do not lie
 
But @Trip7 you have only Tier 1 world class pilots at Delta so why make the change? Does your management not trust you?

Also, I really question if other airlines would be willing to give up information concerning their own sick leave.
 
The MEC controlled for all these factors and found that your costs skyrocketed while other airlines did not.

I'm not saying that I agree with the policy, but I do understand why Anderson is insistent about it.

You forgot the "I think…"

But that's alright. I gotta live here and vote accordingly.

Know any "Dead Zoners"? :)
 
Senior executives briefed the MEC numerous times this year regarding their concerns about the rate of increased sick leave usage since implementation of the C2012 contract. They also made it clear that this was a very high priority issue for them in these negotiations. Because of this, ALPA reviewed the Company’s data and then conducted an independent analysis of sick leave usage at Delta and around the industry. That data showed that sick leave usage at Delta has increased about 30% since 2012. The statistics also showed that a small number of pilots, about 20%, use over 50% of the sick leave hours. In addition, this group of high users has dramatically grown in size since 2012. The data, however, showed no statistical difference that could explain the increased usage. Some of the categories we looked at were age, seniority, base, aircraft, international versus domestic, and captain versus first officer. Like the pilots at Delta, our peers in the industry are also getting older and experiencing many of the same health issues that we all experience. However, their sick leave usage has essentially been flat since 2011. Given this information, our goal was to minimize the impact of sick leave changes to the vast majority of pilots.

At the road show, someone challenged that the increased sick time cause likely is due to Delta having increased amounts of pilots 60 and older. The Union rebutted that that independent study found that the average Delta pilot age 60-65 called in sick less than the 20% group. You should have seen the chart that showed the significant spike of sick calls in May(Sick bank is use it or lose it, resets Jun 1st).

Numbers do not lie

Don't make a name for yourself. It's a very small airline.

I've tried to diplomatically throw a few hints, but do what you'd like.
 
That is like saying let us not hire fat people because they have more medical issues and may be out more. I mean isn't it a choice to be fat and have that Hamburger rather than salad? CHOICES HAVE CONSEQUENCES! :rolleyes:

No it isn't. My stated opinion has nothing to do with the hiring process. Having a child is a life changing event and as responsible adults we should adjust our personal lifestyles if we choose that path. If it means one parent stays at home to raise the child(ren) so be it.
 
Well, you're not far off.

Alaska doesn't hire tobacco users...

And folks bitch about it a lot.

Alaska doesn't hire tobacco users but they have folks in their employee group that I would refer to as habitual users.... just have to lay off the stuff long enough to get hired. People will complain about everything under the sun but won't make the effort to change the outcome.
 
@ATN_Pilot and @Trip7 did you notice this?

This TA was not approved by the MEC, or even sent to you with a recommendation. Rather,
a resolution was passed 11–8 to put the burden of voting this up or down squarely on the
shoulders of the pilots. The MEC as a whole was that uncomfortable with the TA.
 
Oh please Todd, that's a wild extrapolation and your troll-heart knows it.

You pass forth guidance to the next generation of pilots.

No, I thought it was pretty bad, Doug. Maybe not intentional, but if you go back and read it, I think you'll see that it's pretty much "agree with the angry people or you'll be sorry."
 
Contract 2015 Chairman’s Update #2

Fellow Pilots of Council 66,

This is my second Chairman’s Update regarding my decision on the tentative agreement (TA). In the first, I provided a transcript of my speech to the MEC just prior to casting my “no” vote on the TA. In case you missed it, here is a link. I have been overwhelmed with your positive response to this speech. Thank you for taking the time to read my remarks and contacting me via phone or e-mail, and please forgive me if I have failed to respond to you in a timely manner.

This update is based upon my views formed from four decades in the business, my service to you as your C66 chairman, and witnessing firsthand the mechanisms of your MEC as one of only two second-term reps (of 19) also seated on the MEC during C2012 negotiations. The goal of my updates, presented over the coming weeks, will be to offer you honest, unbiased facts and afford you the opportunity to examine both the pros and the cons of the TA, from a bird’s-eye view. Please keep in mind I’m just one man.

In my previous Chairman’s Update I discussed my stance on self-respect. That your mandate and the direction given to the negotiators never included making drastic sacrifices to important sections of our contract during such prosperous times. I stated that if the TA does not match the wishes of the line pilots and does not follow the direction of the MEC, it should have been voted down. Now, before we get down into the weeds of the TA details, I’d like to use this update to compare negotiating approach differences between C2012 and C2015 and then address the politics and power of fear, which I believe contributed to getting us to where we are today.

I would like to start this update with two technical clarifications. First, the MEC’s 11-8 vote was a resolution to forward the TA to the Delta pilots. It was not a vote of acceptance of the TA as presented by the Negotiating Committee. That is a very subtle, but important, difference.

The vote breakdown was as follows:
For: LAX (2), Instructors (1), SEA (F/O), SLC (2) CVG (CA), ATL (4)
Against: MSP (2), DTW (2), SEA (CA), NYC (2) & CVG (F/O)

My “no” vote was cast due to the significant shortcomings of the agreement, not to deny the membership a vote. There are honest differences of opinion about a representative’s role in these circumstances. In my view, voting “yes” to punt the TA to the membership sends a whole host of mixed signals to the various parties. Some incorrectly interpret this type of “yes” vote as an endorsement. I do not believe the MEC should be a rubber stamp and abdicate its responsibility as gatekeeper. This agreement, in my opinion, was not sufficient to justify passing it to the members, hence my “no” vote.

The second clarification is the voting status of C66 representatives. C66 enjoys two status representative positions (CA and F/O with voting rights) and one non-status representative position (secretary-treasurer with no voting rights). Neither C66 voting representative supported the TA itself and voted against the resolution. Our C66 secretary-treasurer is on record for supporting the tentative agreement itself, but cannot and did not cast a vote at the MEC level.

The full TA language has been made available to you by starting here or at http://www.alpa.org under MEC/LEC/DAL MEC/Negotiations Contract 2015/Membership Ratification (MEMRAT)/C15 Tentative Agreement. While you are there, you may wish to review the updates from other councils on their individual webpages. Your due diligence in reviewing this TA is the only way to come to an informed decision. Please, have the college debates, but never in a way that compromises your work and professionalism.

C2012 vs. C2015—Many, including me, viewed the approach by senior management in C2012 (on which I voted “yes”) to be a welcome olive branch of sorts. The Company had turned the corner thanks in great part to our sacrifices and hard work and an early negotiation was seen as a big step in repairing our relationship and our own balance sheets. Fast-forward to C2015 and management’s sudden need to get an early TA seems to have turned into leverage to beat us down, lower our expectations, and cause us internal fighting like I’ve never witnessed before. Instead of using management’s urgent needs to our advantage, that cudgel somehow turned against us—the party holding the most leverage. Somehow proactive engagement morphed into docile appeasement.

The Bogeymen and the Politics and Power of Fear—As I mentioned in my speech to the MEC, I believe management has greatly overreached and we must not reward that overreach. That overreach is being validated through overt fear campaigns; including the “You have a whole lot of money in one pocket with a hole in it” promo. Fear must never drive our business decisions. Once the other side of any business transaction senses fear is motivating your decision making, they have won. Some are behaving as if the sky will literally fall if we don’t conclude an agreement five months early. I respectfully disagree.

Three bogeymen were trotted out for the MEC and those same bogeymen are being used to instill fear in the ranks.

1. The threat the company will disengage from negotiations if this TA is rejected.
2. The threat the National Mediation Board (NMB) will frown upon a rejected TA and drag its feet in helping us to achieve a settlement, resulting in a PEB (Presidential Emergency Board).
3. The Time Value of Money (TVM)

The first two “threats” might have some limited degree of validity, but the “fear” or “danger” associated with these hypothetical scenarios is being greatly exaggerated. Let’s also keep in mind federal law requires both sides to bargain in good faith, not just us.

With respect to the company disengaging and deliberately dragging out negotiations (and violating federal law in the process), please remember, the company approached us for an early agreement and I have yet to see any change in that sentiment. I believe the motivation to maintain labor peace and conclude an early deal still exists and may, in fact, grow more urgent in the coming days or weeks. We are still more than six months away from the amendable date. There is no rush.

Recent history shows there are alternative responses from management other than taking their ball and going home. The AA flight attendants rejected their TA in December last year and were, essentially, given two raises back to back within a week to resolve their contract. I cannot guarantee that will happen, of course, any more than those who promise we will get “parked.”

The NMB is also being used as the bogeyman. Rubbish. Taking the Delta pilots to the NMB will be seen as a failure of leadership for both ALPA and the company and throw a giant wrench in the collaborative, positive atmosphere that has started to gain traction.

The third bogeyman, Time Value of Money (TVM) is often used to justify a less-than-desired negotiating outcome. TVM has legitimate, measurable ramifications when properly weighed. But, ask yourself—is the 8% raise (minus any concessionary offsets) enough, in the short run, to permanently devalue our self-worth? Should we fall prey to instant gratification, choose now-for-tomorrow, while we degrade our quality of life and work rules, during these times? Should we subject ourselves to punitive sick-leave parameters, which open up a Pandora’s box chock full of concerns? Is the time value of short money worth what we are being asked to pay for it, considering the contributions and sacrifices we have made? Concessions are easy to give away, but darn near impossible to recover.

Allow me to state some obvious facts:

First, we are the most important strategic partners management has and we certainly need one another. We are their single-source vendor, if you will, for flying Delta airplanes. Unlike the Boeing v. Airbus negotiations, management cannot move beyond our existing Scope clause and choose some other entity.

Second, we are in a much different situation than we’ve faced in the past: bankruptcy is well behind us; the company is not just profitable—it is wildly profitable; the company is hiring with no end in sight; the training pipeline is full at the bottom and middle (as witnessed by chronic category short-staffing) and will start filling at the top as retirements begin to accelerate exponentially; there’s movement available to a vast majority of pilots; and, we have some upside protections with 3.B.4. Looming pilot shortages also factor in.

Let there be no misunderstanding; like you, I want Delta to be successful and profitable. Future negotiations need not be contentious, or confrontational—we simply need to go back and get it right. We can. We must.

What, exactly, are we fearing? Here are some facts that seem to be overlooked when trying to instill fear: If we do reject the TA and it drags out, we maintain our existing profit-sharing formula, we maintain our current stable state sick-leave provisions, we maintain our current scope protections, we maintain OE trip awards, current TLV, etc., etc.

Here is my greatest concern about using fear as our prime motivator: It is my distinct impression that some within our ranks are conditioning you to be driven by fear rather than the more traditional trade union concepts of self-worth, brotherhood, and strength through unity.

We must reject fear.

Your reps will be available in the crew lounges in the coming days and weeks. The Pilot 2 Pilot (P2P) volunteers, wearing red lanyards, will be there as well. These volunteers are not reps, but work at the direction of the MEC chairman. Their mandate is that they will not be “selling” the TA to you. They do not speak for your reps, and were not an integral part of the entire process as your reps were. Their position is to only provide data about the TA. They are not there to give opinions or speak for or against the TA in any way. They may or may not provide all the data you need to make a decision. If anyone witnesses a volunteer advocating one way or another, let me know with names, dates, and times.

You are the final arbiters. You must determine if this TA meets your standards and your principles. The devil is in the details. Seek out the voice of reason. Ask the tough questions. Demand crystal-clear answers.

We have a compressed timeframe to vote, which starts on Wednesday and ends on July 10. In the immediate future I’ll be providing a thorough discussion of the TA details, such as pay, profit sharing, JV and scope, widebody jobs, sick leave, OE flights, TLV, work rules, etc., both pro and con. And I’ll remind you, yet again, of how difficult it is to regain those items we allow to be dealt away. Stay tuned, and stay engaged.

Finally, an important reminder: The NYC road show will be held at the LGA Airport Marriott, 102‐05 Ditmars Blvd, East Elmhurst, this coming Monday, June 22, from 1500 to 1800. Many of the individuals who have had a part in crafting the TA will be present to address your questions and concerns. You don’t want to miss this one.

Respectfully,

Tom
 
No, I thought it was pretty bad, Doug. Maybe not intentional, but if you go back and read it, I think you'll see that it's pretty much "agree with the angry people or you'll be sorry."
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Ain't nobody said that!​
 
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My “no” vote was cast due to the significant shortcomings of the agreement, not to deny the membership a vote. There are honest differences of opinion about a representative’s role in these circumstances. In my view, voting “yes” to punt the TA to the membership sends a whole host of mixed signals to the various parties. Some incorrectly interpret this type of “yes” vote as an endorsement. I do not believe the MEC should be a rubber stamp and abdicate its responsibility as gatekeeper. This agreement, in my opinion, was not sufficient to justify passing it to the members, hence my “no” vote.

I don't think I agree with a single other thing he said, but he's absolutely right on this. If you can't vote to endorse it as a rep, then you should vote against sending it out. There's no reason to send something to the membership for a vote if even a majority of the MEC can't agree that it's worthy of endorsement. That's not leadership, it's passing the buck. Good on him for voting his conscience about this and not shirking his responsibility. Nothing annoys me more than someone who was elected to lead refusing to do so.
 
I don't think I agree with a single other thing he said, but he's absolutely right on this. If you can't vote to endorse it as a rep, then you should vote against sending it out. There's no reason to send something to the membership for a vote if even a majority of the MEC can't agree that it's worthy of endorsement. That's not leadership, it's passing the buck. Good on him for voting his conscience about this and not shirking his responsibility. Nothing annoys me more than someone who was elected to lead refusing to do so.

As I said earlier, the vote didn't say "Yeah!" universally, the vote was "Crap, let the membership decide".

Some reps voted "yes" because they thought it was a fair agreement.
Some reps voted "yes" because they wanted it to go to membership ratification (I agree with your sentiment on the lunacy of this)
Some reps voted "no" for a number of reasons.

That, in itself, is enough to… wait, gosh dammit, I'm just repeating myself from a few pages ago.
 
No, I thought it was pretty bad, Doug. Maybe not intentional, but if you go back and read it, I think you'll see that it's pretty much "agree with the angry people or you'll be sorry."

No kidding. How a post with factual information turns into making a name for yourself is beyond me. Have you noticed when we post facts we get some sort of backlash about 'lecturing', 'making a name for yourself' or some wild conspiracy theory.
 
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