Delta TA Is Out!

Wow. What a bunch of trash. There isn't ANY protection of ANYTHING in that contract. I was expecting it would suck, but I thought they would at least throw the pilots a bone.
 
The 76-seats is the CRJ-705 (basicly a CRJ-900 with first class). A bunch of the CMR management is happy about this one. They say that with the cuts we took (F/A pending) these planes should be ours....ok whatever. Even our management is drinking Southernjets kool-aid...

Oh wait, I am just a know knothing ramper that will believe whatever the company says. This announcement of bigger jets is GREAT. :sarcasm:
 
I am so ticked off.. i FOR SURE thought it was the company that was going to come down...i didn't think the union, negotiating committee, MEC would be so stupid!

I'm almost thinking that the DAL pilots need to call for some union head and say "you want me to give up another 5% on top of the 9% you had already proposed to the company? I think, in that case, it should be taken out of union dues!" (cuz it was originally 9% or 140 mil proposed earlier was it not?)

what the hell are we paying 1.95% (of total pay) per month for here? representation or just for ****s-n-giggles?

cuz they for SURE are not working for the pilots NOW....that's obviously crystal clear...trying to save their own asses instead of who they're supposed to be representin' is going to get them screwed!

As it is, it should have been the company coming down to meet OUR demands...we're not "killing" the company... apparently, it's the union along with company (something smells of rotten politics) doing it now...who's sleeping in whose bed?
 
And that is the big knock on unions. They cost a lot and many times you get nothing out of it. A union is just another business as far as I am concerned.

I wish you guys the best, but I am afriad you may need luck.
 
ALPA has been nothing but a "big business" for several years now. They got the CO pilots to give up consessions when the company posted a profit the previous quarter. They are also allowing the lowering of the bar in the regional ranks. They ore only looking out for their friends, and that is other big businesses. The catch is they use working amseicas dollars to to said activities.
 
OldTownPilot said:
ALPA has been nothing but a "big business" for several years now. They got the CO pilots to give up consessions when the company posted a profit the previous quarter. .


You need only look so far as that they let an aurline with a significant number of scabs back into the membership. Unbelievable .

Oh, btw, the TA will pass with 59% voting in favor.

And I'm with Doug...not real interested in a circular discussion about this one.
 
Timbuff10 said:
So from everything I have read, it looks like about 90% of the pilots will vote NO.

Where does this leave us? More pictures of empty lockers or will a strike be assured if it gets voted down?


That's 90% of the 5% that actually post on the internet. I'd say 90% of pilots have never even heard of some of these websites. Doug's is the only one I've ever been to...and that's just because I know him.
 
Kristie said:
I am so ticked off.. i FOR SURE thought it was the company that was going to come down...i didn't think the union, negotiating committee, MEC would be so stupid!

I'm almost thinking that the DAL pilots need to call for some union head and say "you want me to give up another 5% on top of the 9% you had already proposed to the company? I think, in that case, it should be taken out of union dues!" (cuz it was originally 9% or 140 mil proposed earlier was it not?)

what the hell are we paying 1.95% (of total pay) per month for here? representation or just for ****s-n-giggles?

cuz they for SURE are not working for the pilots NOW....that's obviously crystal clear...trying to save their own asses instead of who they're supposed to be representin' is going to get them screwed!

As it is, it should have been the company coming down to meet OUR demands...we're not "killing" the company... apparently, it's the union along with company (something smells of rotten politics) doing it now...who's sleeping in whose bed?

Kristie wouldn't an over all resounding no vote on this TA force not only ALPA but DL management to wake up. B767Driver...I hope this TA doesn't pass for Delta's sake but more so the industry?
 
B767Driver said:
That's 90% of the 5% that actually post on the internet. I'd say 90% of pilots have never even heard of some of these websites. Doug's is the only one I've ever been to...and that's just because I know him.


So when this thing is voted in the ramifactions (other than lower pay and bennies) will be more RJs thus more hiring in the regionals which is good in the short term because that means more jobs, yippie! (scarcasm implied) But in the long term or shall I say more realistically, it means, more RJs with lower paid pilots still racing to the bottom and a shrinking mainline that will become that much more difficult to get to, not that it will be that desireable anymore anyway?

Is that a good summary?
 
B767Driver said:
You need only look so far as that they let an airline with a significant number of scabs back into the membership. Unbelievable .

That and the MEC chairman at the time was a scab. Yes the #1 guy in the CAL union was a scab. That there is unbelievable.

Of the 3 pilots on the NC, none flew international, so guess what group got screwed, you guess it international pilots. The international override was eliminated, intl per diem when down (domestic stayed the same). The 50% pay for deadheads hit the EWR europe flying hard. Half of the Europe flying for EWR 756 (Dads base) has an IRO who deadheads over then flys back, making those trips worthless. When 35% of the lines go from quite senior to the rock bottom the base gets hit hard. That, and the rest seat is a seat in coach now. Have you tried sleeping in one of those? The only thing I got was a sore neck and was still exausted after the flight.
 
Kristie said:
I am so ticked off.. i FOR SURE thought it was the company that was going to come down...i didn't think the union, negotiating committee, MEC would be so stupid!

I'm almost thinking that the DAL pilots need to call for some union head and say "you want me to give up another 5% on top of the 9% you had already proposed to the company? I think, in that case, it should be taken out of union dues!" (cuz it was originally 9% or 140 mil proposed earlier was it not?)

what the hell are we paying 1.95% (of total pay) per month for here? representation or just for ****s-n-giggles?

cuz they for SURE are not working for the pilots NOW....that's obviously crystal clear...trying to save their own asses instead of who they're supposed to be representin' is going to get them screwed!

As it is, it should have been the company coming down to meet OUR demands...we're not "killing" the company... apparently, it's the union along with company (something smells of rotten politics) doing it now...who's sleeping in whose bed?


Kristie tell us how you really feel.....
 
Tim said:
The good hubby knows how to follow directions...us married men all do.

Happily married men. :)

Wifey's not happy, NO ONE'S happy!

Learn that one early or learn it in a divorce court I say.
 
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