Delta Planes Collide at KORD

[ChasenSFO]

Um...

Once that door closes...and the clock starts...it doesn't matter how quickly the push happens. D0, is or is not met, by the time the door closes and the parking brake is released.

2 issues that regardless lead to rushed pushes that stem from D-0.

A) When you're going at 250% to get a plane the hell out of your gate and get the brakes released, you aren't going to just instantly calm down, relax, and slowly push. The juice is still flowing and you're most likely in a mindset of GO GO GO and are impatiently waiting for the push, once cleared, you're going to takeoff full speed.

B) There is a lot of pressure you guys up front wouldn't understand. We rushed like hell and made D-0, great. But there is a reason we rushed like hell. There is a plane holding for the gate, and has been for 15 minutes. It is going to sit at your gate for 2 hours giving you a nice fat break. Another gate is also brakes released. If they push first, there goes your 2 hour break, you'll get the 3 quickturns that gate was supposed to get in the next 2 hours. So naturally you have the urge to rush like hell, since of course the GO GO GO juice is still flowing, as I stated in exhibit A.

But what do I know about the pressures on a ramp lead at a hub. I only play a ramp lead on public television.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

2 issues that regardless lead to rushed pushes that stem from D-0.

A) When you're going at 250% to get a plane the hell out of your gate and get the brakes released, you aren't going to just instantly calm down, relax, and slowly push. The juice is still flowing and you're most likely in a mindset of GO GO GO and are impatiently waiting for the push, once cleared, you're going to takeoff full speed.

B) There is a lot of pressure you guys up front wouldn't understand. We rushed like hell and made D-0, great. But there is a reason we rushed like hell. There is a plane holding for the gate, and has been for 15 minutes. It is going to sit at your gate for 2 hours giving you a nice fat break. Another gate is also brakes released. If they push first, there goes your 2 hour break, you'll get the 3 quickturns that gate was supposed to get in the next 2 hours. So naturally you have the urge to rush like hell, since of course the GO GO GO juice is still flowing, as I stated in exhibit A.

But what do I know about the pressures on a ramp lead at a hub. I only play a ramp lead on public television.

That's great, and I understand where you're coming from (believe me, I do!), but airplanes and people get hurt when you're in a hurry.

 

[jynxyjoe]

But what do I know about the pressures on a ramp lead at a hub. I only play a ramp lead on public television.

I was ramp at JFK and EWR. Every member of the airline (direct employees or outsourced) are taught time is money and fast is funny. The Flight Attendants, Gate Agents, Ramp, Dispatcher, Screw Scheduling, MX, Managers are all trained to move heaven and earth for ontime pushes. The pilots are the only ones set in the opposite direction, if it isn't 100% safe then slow things down.

 

[Kingairer]

Its amazing that something this minor makes the news. Can you imagine if everytime "Bill" Lost a big account, or "John" ruined a peice of shop equipment, it made national news? If we are going to be under the spotlight like this, our pay should reflect that responsibility.

 

[Bandit_Driver]

Its amazing that something this minor makes the news. Can you imagine if everytime "Bill" Lost a big account, or "John" ruined a peice of shop equipment, it made national news? If we are going to be under the spotlight like this, our pay should reflect that responsibility.

IMO it is the carrier name that put it in the paper. Delta has had a bad run of hitting things on the ground recently...

 

[ASpilot2be]

2 issues that regardless lead to rushed pushes that stem from D-0.

A) When you're going at 250% to get a plane the hell out of your gate and get the brakes released, you aren't going to just instantly calm down, relax, and slowly push. The juice is still flowing and you're most likely in a mindset of GO GO GO and are impatiently waiting for the push, once cleared, you're going to takeoff full speed.

B) There is a lot of pressure you guys up front wouldn't understand. We rushed like hell and made D-0, great. But there is a reason we rushed like hell. There is a plane holding for the gate, and has been for 15 minutes. It is going to sit at your gate for 2 hours giving you a nice fat break. Another gate is also brakes released. If they push first, there goes your 2 hour break, you'll get the 3 quickturns that gate was supposed to get in the next 2 hours. So naturally you have the urge to rush like hell, since of course the GO GO GO juice is still flowing, as I stated in exhibit A.

But what do I know about the pressures on a ramp lead at a hub. I only play a ramp lead on public television.

:yeahthat: The most pressure we received was from the gate agents. Nobody really knows what it is like to have to unload an A319, then load it with bags, and over 10,000lbs of fish boxes. When it all slows down at push time you feel like something is wrong.

 

[scramjet]

Pushback crews fault.... You get what you pay for. When D-0 becomes the holy grail, people let that word "safety" drop to the floor.

No bonus for being safe, but discipline for being late. Push, push, push.

Exactly. Especially at Southernjets. Who needs a union?