Delta pilots Picket at ATL

KLB said:
Make it hard for them to graduate!;)

Really? Was employment somehow tied to academics at your school?

At my college, flight training and flight instructing are two totally different games. The instructors are free to quit (or get fired, or never get hired to begin with, etc.) and it has no bearing on their academic records. That's the way it should be, IMO.
 
Gonzo And once every couple months it seems he would have an engine go out because bird ingestion(Fort Lauderdale does that happen a lot there). Never once have I ever read about it on the news. .[/QUOTE said:
Most pilots will end a 40 year flying career with 25,000 hours of flying and never encounter an engine failure. This guy must have really, really bad luck.
 
jrh said:
Really? Was employment somehow tied to academics at your school?

At my college, flight training and flight instructing are two totally different games. The instructors are free to quit (or get fired, or never get hired to begin with, etc.) and it has no bearing on their academic records. That's the way it should be, IMO.

Thats the way it should be, but when the head of the Aviation Department who is over the entire aviation program, says he will make graduating hard for you.......... It puts you between a rock and a hard place. At the time, there was a lot of other drama going on also. They were trying to get someone, in their opinion, who was more qualified into the head of the department. That might have had something to do with the treats also. The CFI's were called into a meeting where they were told if they striked they would all be fired.
 
Gonzo said:
I did get lectured by the captain about how much he makes and how he felt my $40 tip was an insult to him.

Wow. How did you respond? By giving the money to the starving FO next to him?
 
ok slightly off topic...(sorry)

I just read off the wire that Delta pilots will be "info" picketing here in SLC on monday..

http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/indu...iz.yahoo.com/ap/060224/delta_pilots.html?.v=2


let's say if I was working as a pilot based in SLC, would it be dangerous to post on this site (or any public site) that I was going to picket? Does that cause problems with management at SLC? HR? People look at you different if you do picket in the future at work? Is that a problem as far as policy or do other workers, rampers support you? .. do you picket without your name badge on or how does that work?

just wondering

(i'd ask if Doug would be there monday but in the back of my mind I feel it's a sensitive question..or his day off :D i'm trying to be careful and not step on anyones toes..)
 
Matthew_Chidester said:
ok slightly off topic...(sorry)

I just read off the wire that Delta pilots will be "info" picketing here in SLC on monday..

http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/indu...iz.yahoo.com/ap/060224/delta_pilots.html?.v=2


let's say if I was working as a pilot based in SLC, would it be dangerous to post on this site (or any public site) that I was going to picket? Does that cause problems with management at SLC? HR? People look at you different if you do picket in the future at work? Is that a problem as far as policy or do other workers, rampers support you? .. do you picket without your name badge on or how does that work?

just wondering

(i'd ask if Doug would be there monday but in the back of my mind I feel it's a sensitive question..or his day off :D i'm trying to be careful and not step on anyones toes..)


Yeah, you ain't getting that info out the webmaster. It'd be funny though to see him on the news pictures doing that. We'd all quickly recognize him.:)
 
Matthew_Chidester said:
ok slightly off topic...(sorry)

I just read off the wire that Delta pilots will be "info" picketing here in SLC on monday..

http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/industry/news/latestnews/*http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060224/delta_pilots.html?.v=2


let's say if I was working as a pilot based in SLC, would it be dangerous to post on this site (or any public site) that I was going to picket? Does that cause problems with management at SLC? HR? People look at you different if you do picket in the future at work? Is that a problem as far as policy or do other workers, rampers support you? .. do you picket without your name badge on or how does that work?

just wondering

(i'd ask if Doug would be there monday but in the back of my mind I feel it's a sensitive question..or his day off :D i'm trying to be careful and not step on anyones toes..)

I don't believe that (informational) picketting can get you in trouble as an employee. You have a right to picket if you if your employee group has organized a day to assemble. If you receive any grief from management your union as a pilot so you can fight any negative action.
As for commenting publicly on a message board or in the media. I would say that you should be careful and self moderate the things that you say. Because as an employee your some what "owned" by the company so when you speak your not speaking as a person but a member of that particular corporation.

Why do you think you can't curse in the military while in uniform or smoke or or drink or do a number of other things. Because while in uniform you aren't "_____" Your representing the United States (insert branch) samething with an airline if you identify yourself as an employee publicly.
 
BCTAv8r said:
Yeah, you ain't getting that info out the webmaster. It'd be funny though to see him on the news pictures doing that. We'd all quickly recognize him.:)

You can really get surprised by that. Several years ago I walked a UAL picket line in ORD wearing my uniform (not UAL). When I got back to ATL that night and sat down to watch the local news, there I was front and center. I never even saw a camera while I was there. Word got out that my management wasn't happy with the guy who did that in uniform, so I went in and confessed. No big problem.
 
Matthew_Chidester said:
let's say if I was working as a pilot based in SLC, would it be dangerous to post on this site (or any public site) that I was going to picket?

Not at all.

Does that cause problems with management at SLC?

Not at all. "Managment" locally in SLC is pretty much a chief pilot. And he's a card-carrying member of the union.


Nope.

People look at you different if you do picket in the future at work? Is that a problem as far as policy or do other workers, rampers support you? .. do you picket without your name badge on or how does that work?

just wondering

(i'd ask if Doug would be there monday but in the back of my mind I feel it's a sensitive question..or his day off :D i'm trying to be careful and not step on anyones toes..)

Nah, it's just for SLC locals because of limited parade space.

Picketing, however, is a lot of fun. We had a massive picket in MCO back in 1999 or 2000 (I can't remember) and when we were in the 'hold line', me and another pilot would have fun watching the guys change directions. It'd be like:

Civilian (kind of slovenly making the corners)
Air Force (rather sharp corner)
SAC! (sharp corner, but well aware of his precious bodily fluids)
Navy (semi sharp, NATOPS type of wide radius)
Marine (perfect toe to heel, swift direction change with elbows slightly angled, can almost hear the heel crack)
 
Doug Taylor said:
SAC! (sharp corner, but well aware of his precious bodily fluids)

Did he go on about the flouridation of our water and how we should only drink purified rain water and grain alcohol?

God, I love that movie.
 
I'd love to show up and picket in uniform.

Not sure if there's any demonstrations planned for CVG or not.

I'd look kinda funny cause I'd probably be the only AA F/A there. But, who gives a hoot what AA management might think. What are they going to do, fire me ;)
 
Doug Taylor said:
That or wear fo4eva's uniform. The boys'll love it!

:D


Oh yeah, that would be hilarious. Little 5'2" me in a uniform that fits a 6'1" man! Hahahahahaha! I'd look like a kid playing dress-up.
 
:)

(not trying to keep this post alive or anything - sorry slow response i've been a tad sick for a few months...long story ha..just be careful what you eat in Europe..or what a girl cooks for you on a date..)

but thanks for the reply (Doug and others) I always wondered how that worked; how the whole pilot/management relationship works in the business.

Thanks again :D
 
Yeah I wish I knew more details than what yahoo.com put up. If I was feeling better and knew the time i'd go there and take a pic for you guys.

I'm just guessing but it's probably inside the Delta terminal in front of check in which I think is terminal 1..? or outside in front of check in at the drop off (where you can go to either terminal outside).

they wouldn't do it in the terminal past security... not many places they can do it actually.
 
My bet is that it's outside near dropoff/departure area...they normally hold it outside the airport in front of hte Delta sign from what I know.
 
Congrats on the successful picket. I bet the "three two" is flowing this evening at Squatters.

Delta Pilots Picket in Salt Lake City, Warning They May Strike if No Agreement Reached in Spring

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Delta Air Lines Inc. pilots brought their informational picket over stalled contract talks to Salt Lake City International Airport on Monday, warning that they may strike if an agreement isn't reached this spring.


About 50 pilots walked a picket line in front the Delta terminal and handed out pamphlets detailing their grievances.

The Atlanta-based airline filed for bankruptcy protection in September, and the company is seeking wage and benefits concessions from the pilots to help it become solvent.

Pilots said they have already conceded enough. In 2004, the pilots agree to $1 billion in concessions, including a 32.5 percent pay cut over five years. They also criticized an agreement last week by a New York bankruptcy judge that approved a severance package for as many as 144 directors and officers who will lose their jobs in reorganization.

"It sends a bad signal," said Capt. John D. Culp, a spokesman for the Air Line Pilots Association. "We're disappointed that management would pause to consider their own job security while they're demanding significant reductions in job protections for Delta pilots." Culp, of Atlanta, has been a Delta pilot for 20 years.

Salt Lake City is one of three Delta hubs, with Cincinnati and Atlanta. The pilots picketed outside Delta's terminal at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport on Feb. 17.

If negotiators for the pilots union and company can't reach a comprehensive deal on long-term concessions by Wednesday, a three-person panel would decide the company's request to reject the pilots contract so Delta can impose more than $300 million in cuts unilaterally. The arbitration panel would have 45 days to issue a ruling.

The pilots union has said it will strike if its contract is thrown out. The company has warned a strike would put the nation's third-largest carrier out of business.

A company official said Monday the picket has had no effect on business.

"This is an informational picket. It is not impacting our operations, and we don't expect that it will," said Bruce Hicks, Delta's spokesman for pilot negotiations.

Some passengers who came across the picket thought otherwise.

"If it looks like they're going to strike, I'd look at other options," said Ken Wzorek, 30, of Salt Lake City, who works as an art director for an advertising firm.

Luke Bucci, of Reno, flies every week for his job as an executive for a nutritional supplements company. He said the picket reinforced his recent decision about booking flights.

"It's made me switch to Southwest ... I'm all for the pilots," Bucci said. "They're flying the airplanes. They're in control up there. So, I think they should be paid well."

The average Delta pilot earns about $150,000 a year, Culp said. He would not divulge what the top-paid pilots earn, but said 40 percent of their pay comes from working overtime.

Capt. Ed Thiel, a Delta pilot for 20 years, said passengers who know about the union's complaint have been supportive. Thiel, of Salt Lake City, said he's paid less than pilots with similar experience, flying similar planes and routes, at other airlines. About 350 Delta pilots live in Utah.

Hicks said the company is committed to ironing out a contract deal soon. "We need a consensual agreement. We can't get out of bankruptcy without one," he said.
 
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