Delta off the Runway - LGA

mshunter said:
I don't know how else I can put it. Every airline has gone through furloughs. Every. Last. One. So, my point is be happy for what you have. Don't lull oneself into a false sense of security that just because the names match on the check and the airplane, you are immune to it. Be happy for what you have, even if it's not what you want.
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JetBlue hasn't, FWIW.

(I get your overall point...just sayin')
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Does this count?



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Well, they've never furloughed! ;). It's a great place to be, until you can work into a Legacy position.
 
The report also said that the auto spoilers did not deploy but the FO quickly deployed them and even with the brakes to MAX, after touchdown, there was no noticeable deceleration. That sounds like NIL braking or maybe an antiskid issue. Whatever it was, unless the NTSB call shenanigans on the crew statements because of the evidence, it sounds like it was just bad timing to be the next guy in.
 
Pilotdude3407 said:
The report also said that the auto spoilers did not deploy but the FO quickly deployed them and even with the brakes to MAX, after touchdown, there was no noticeable deceleration. That sounds like NIL braking or maybe an antiskid issue. Whatever it was, unless the NTSB call shenanigans on the crew statements because of the evidence, it sounds like it was just bad timing to be the next guy in.
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Then this is needed:

 
This caught my eye,

"That the runway appeared all white when they broke out of the overcast, moments before landing."

Not patchy, but "all white"? The preceding arrivals reported braking action as 'good', but the runway was covered?
 
Mark815 said:
This caught my eye,

"That the runway appeared all white when they broke out of the overcast, moments before landing."

Not patchy, but "all white"? The preceding arrivals reported braking action as 'good', but the runway was covered?
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Sure, why not? A shallow dusting of snow that's covering the runway isn't going to tell you how well you're able to brake. If we went on looks we'd never land in rain.
 
Pilotdude3407 said:
The report also said that the auto spoilers did not deploy but the FO quickly deployed them and even with the brakes to MAX, after touchdown, there was no noticeable deceleration. That sounds like NIL braking or maybe an antiskid issue. Whatever it was, unless the NTSB call shenanigans on the crew statements because of the evidence, it sounds like it was just bad timing to be the next guy in.
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Maybe this was addressed earlier and maybe I have things a bit backwards. I believe I read the autobrakes don't work if the spoilers aren't armed. So if the spoilers had to be manually deployed, would autobrakes then work?
 
jtrain609 said:
Sure, why not? A shallow dusting of snow that's covering the runway isn't going to tell you how well you're able to brake. If we went on looks we'd never land in rain.
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Because at the time of the incident the metar was calling snow/heavy snow and freezing fog. This wasn't going to be a nice light dusting. I've broken out on approach in places like ORD after a sudden snow squall came through and yes, there was a light dusting on the runway that blew away once you passed over it. However if I was shooting an approach knowing the weather was right at 1/4 mi with wet snow falling all day and freezing precip/fog, breaking out and seeing all white wouldn't mean "oh hey there's a light dusting on the runway" to me.
 
Mark815 said:
Because at the time of the incident the metar was calling snow/heavy snow and freezing fog. This wasn't going to be a nice light dusting. I've broken out on approach in places like ORD after a sudden snow squall came through and yes, there was a light dusting on the runway that blew away once you passed over it. However if I was shooting an approach knowing the weather was right at 1/4 mi with wet snow falling all day and freezing precip/fog, breaking out and seeing all white wouldn't mean "oh hey there's a light dusting on the runway" to me.
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So you would have gone around and saved the day?

Well done, superman. The rest of us mortals would have probably accepted the good braking report from our colleagues in front of us, knowing if we went around every time the weather wasn't CAVU we wouldn't get anywhere.
 
Mark815 said:
This caught my eye,

"That the runway appeared all white when they broke out of the overcast, moments before landing."

Not patchy, but "all white"? The preceding arrivals reported braking action as 'good', but the runway was covered?
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I landed at EWR that same day on 04R and yes it too looked all white. Braking on it was good for touchdown and rollout.
 
jtrain609 said:
So you would have gone around and saved the day?

Well done, superman. The rest of us mortals would have probably accepted the good braking report from our colleagues in front of us, knowing if we went around every time the weather wasn't CAVU we wouldn't get anywhere.
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Jesus christ. I'm super glad my mere observation in an NTSB report turned me into Superman. I especially love the part where I posted that I thought the crew did a terrible job (STUPID DELTOIDS!) and I laughed at them for accepting a runway braking report from another airplane (I mean what idiots....AMIRITE!?).


Maybe go back and read what I wrote before putting words in my mouth.
 
jtrain609 said:
So you would have gone around and saved the day?

Well done, superman. The rest of us mortals would have probably accepted the good braking report from our colleagues in front of us, knowing if we went around every time the weather wasn't CAVU we wouldn't get anywhere.
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I thought you CalPac guys only flew on beautiful VFR days.
 
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