Delta off the Runway - LGA

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KLGA 051716Z 33013KT 1/4SM R04/2000V2400FT +SN FZFG VV009 M04/M06 A3016 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 1/4 P0002 $
KLGA 051651Z 32016KT 1/4SM R04/2800V4000FT SN FZFG FEW006 OVC012 M03/M05 A3015 RMK AO2 SLP210 P0005 T10331050 $
KLGA 051640Z 32014KT 1/4SM R04/2400V4000FT SN FZFG SCT007 OVC012 M03/M05 A3015 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/2 PRESRR P0005
KLGA 051631Z 36009KT 1/4SM R04/3500VP6000FT SN FZFG VV012 M03/M05 A3012 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/2 P0004
KLGA 051622Z 01008KT 1/4SM R04/3000VP6000FT SN FZFG VV011 M03/M05 A3012 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/2 P0003
KLGA 051551Z 01008KT 1/4SM R04/2800V3500FT SN FZFG VV009 M03/M05 A3012 RMK AO2 SLP199 P0006 T10331050
KLGA 051524Z 04007KT 1/4SM R04/2600V2800FT SN FZFG VV009 M03/M04 A3013 RMK AO2 P0004
KLGA 051451Z 03010KT 1/4SM R04/3000V4500FT SN FZFG VV012 M03/M04 A3014 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 3/4 SLP207 P0003 60013 T10281044 53040
KLGA 051417Z 03012KT 1/4SM R04/2800V4000FT SN FZFG SCT006 OVC012 M02/M03 A3011 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 3/4 P0002
KLGA 051351Z 01014G18KT 1/2SM R04/5000VP6000FT SN FZFG FEW006 OVC014 M02/M03 A3011 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 3/4 SLP195 SNINCR 1/5 P0005 T10171033
KLGA 051338Z 01013KT 1/2SM R04/3000V5000FT SN FZFG SCT006 OVC010 M02/M03 A3010 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 3/4 P0005
KLGA 051333Z 36011KT 1/4SM R04/3000V5000FT SN FZFG VV007 M01/M03 A3010 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 3/4 PRESRR P0004
KLGA 051251Z COR 34006KT 1/4SM R04/3000V4000FT SN FG OVC009 00/M01 A3006 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 3/4 SLP178 SNINCR 1/4 P0005 T00001011
KLGA 051218Z 33007KT 1/4SM R04/3500V4500FT SN FG BKN009 OVC014 00/M01 A3004 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 3/4 P0002
KLGA 051208Z 33007KT 1/2SM R04/4000V5500FT SN FG FEW006 OVC011 00/M02 A3004 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 3/4 P0001
KLGA 051157Z 33007KT 1/2SM R04/5000VP6000FT SN FG BKN010 OVC015 01/M02 A3003 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 3/4 P0000
KLGA 051151Z 33007KT 1SM R04/5500VP6000FT -SN BR BKN011 OVC016 01/M02 A3003 RMK AO2 SLP167 931004 4/003 P0002 60016 70046 T00061017 10044 20006 53014
I'mma just not go over to the East Coast now, thanks - time to go out in the 65F/clear/calm and be with nature. ;)
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I do not have the weather for the time of the accident...one second, let me look.


Nobody wants to be first. It doesn't matter what it is, but nobody wants to be first to chicken out.

In the Conga line into O'Hare some weeks ago, EVERYONE wanted to know what the braking action was; once Approach finally came up and said it was poor to nil on the runway most of us were set up for. There was a brief moment, and someone finally piped up and said "You know what, we aren't going to do that, request two eight center." Then just about everyone else did too. We were the last ones they recovered on 27R before doing snow clearance.

(Parenthetically: Our numbers supported landing our relatively light airplane, and stopping on 27R with even the worst case traction scenario, and it turns out that the report was really "fair touchdown, poor middle, nil rollout," as we discovered. Approach only passed on the "poor to nil" part.)

It's amazing what saying, "You know what? Nope, we'll wait/change runways/whatever" does. Because everyone else is thinking it.
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Being the first to say "oh hell no!" is what they call leadership. It also can clue others in to look at the situation a little closer.

Last week we were getting deiced when we heard another company 900 say they were unable 21R. That clued us in to seek out new runway conditions and look at our own situation a little closer. When we got down to it, we couldn't do it either. Would we have gotten there on our own? Maybe, maybe not.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Being the first to say "oh hell no!" is what they call leadership. It also can clue others in to look at the situation a little closer.

Last week we were getting deiced when we heard another company 900 say they were unable 21R. That clued us in to seek out new runway conditions and look at our own situation a little closer. When we got down to it, we couldn't do it either. Would we have gotten there on our own? Maybe, maybe not.
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Absolutely.

As one of my Captain mentors on the Brasilia was once told by one of our crusty old-timers, "The most important word in your vocabulary when you sit over here is 'no.'"
 
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The winds pretty rapidly shifted into a tailwind shortly after. It looks like they ran up on the berm and skidded a ways, ending up facing almost 90 off from runway heading. Dang! 1/4 SM, SN, and FZFG consitent for hours prior.

SS LaGarbage strikes again...
 
Crazy! Glad everybody is okay. Reiterating others, very happy to see that it stopped where it did!
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
Minor cosmetic damage. Maddog don't give a....

I gotta wonder if they ended up getting knocked out for a couple. Sure doesn't look like the "good" braking action that was reported...
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I really with we could measure braking action from the anti-skid and accelerometers and automatically uplink that data to a central database. Then we'd have usable, scientific, up-to-date information about actual conditions than simple subjective observations.
 
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