Delta Negotiators reach agreement

MDPilot

MDPilot

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Just out on the Delta MEC code-a-phone. MEC will review agreement tonight and tomorrow. No details yet releasable.
 
I wonder... KY or astroglide?
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I wonder... KY or astroglide?
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Oh, come on. You've been in the industry long enough you shouldn't need either!

At Eagle they gave us Vaseline. But they didn't tell us they put sand in it.
 
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At Eagle they gave us Vaseline. But they didn't tell us they put sand in it.

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Nasty!!
 
Welcome to the airline industry!
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I'm still waiting for the "If ya'll give up all that money, why ain't my tickets no cheaper" from some misguided passenger.

Suprisingly, even Fox News made a comment about '...there is a trend for airline employees to give significant concessions and bad management to use the money to continue making bad decisions...this trend won't go on forever, and eventually employees will say enough is enough.'

Refreshing, nonetheless, but no refreshing enough for me to watch cable news (ANY cable news).
 
This morning, after an overnight, riding in a hotel van to the airport..
Two crews.. Us and an airline X. The X airline has two Captains in their crew..

One Captain says to another: "Hey did you see that Delta pilots gave in? Now the whole industry is going down.. I didn't expect it from them.."

When we arrived at the terminal and after a few deep breaths I said "I guess it's finally your turn to hold the industry up?”

Just couldn't let it go and couldn't think of anything better to say...
 
I'm at my commuter hotel and overheard some passenger in the lobby screaming about the 32.5% pay cuts still amount to 'those pah-lotts being still ova-paid.'

Good lord. What a country.
 
What's real fun is that of all the people I've run into who think that other people are overpaid, I've never run into anyone who thinks they themselves are overpaid. Just one of those things that make you go: "Hmmmmmmm"
 
Over the past five years, I've noticed that in a very general sense everyone thinks they're paid between 'too little' and 'just about right'. The guy earning more is paid too much and the guy earning less is lazy and probably doesn't work hard enough.
 
Just once I want to take one of those "you guys are a bunch of overpaid hacks" businessmen I run in to on the commute down to the TK, put him in the simulator, light an engine on fire and (just for fun) puke out all the hydraulic fluid, and say, "OK, buddy, try not to kill us ... or the fifty folks behind the door." After the inevitable crash and burn ....

"Still think I'm overpaid, pal?"
 
Caught some additional details in the NY Times yesterday, none of em good.

<ul type="square"> [*]Defined benefit pension programs: history. To be replaced with a 401(k) plan [*]No board seat for the pilots union [*]the equity position demanded in return for concessions: granted, but pilots will have to PAY for the shares. [/list]
The end of the defined benefit pension is the worst of it, IMHO. The profession will never be the same -- at least until people start seeing that the training investment and QOL hit being on the road all the time just aren't worth it. The prestige of the job will fade soon enough, all the big $100k university flight programs will tank, and we'll be back to the 1960s when the airlines hired only military pilots.

On the other hand, maybe that's what the industry needs. When something offered only by the private sector becomes an indispensable part of the national infrastructure--such as air commerce has--it needs to be tightly regulated, shielded from market forces, unethical executives, etc.
 
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Wait a minute, does the public also percieve RJ pilots as being overpaid? (Because most places, F/O rake in 20K to 35K as a first officer!)

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When it comes to this business, you'll find the public never lets its preconceived notions be influenced by pesky facts.
 
A year before our strike at Skyway, I experienced many business travelers literally curse at me about how DARE I ask for a raise when most pilots make $200G's/year while I was trying to do my safety brief.

Meanwhile, I think I made less than $15G's that year.
 
During the Mesaba strike (almost strike? I can't even remember) last year, there was a lot of very good news stories here locally about how much the pilots were making/wanted to make. There was even a nice piece about how many Mesaba pilots were working second jobs (including waiting tables) to make ends meet. A lot of people I knew expressed shock and dismay at learning how little Mesaba's pilots made. They really had no idea how bad it is, and they were geniuinely appalled at how little the pilots were making. Fortunately, now they do, although I suspect the recently knowledgeable are few and the idiots are many.

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Primarily why I'm usually fairly cranky when industry outsiders and naysayers want to debate me about my W-2. Most people think you graduate from college and fall into a six figure airline job with 22 days off per month.

I can't tell you how many rampers complain how they only make "X" when I make "X+Y" during my walk arounds.
 
Just ask those rampers if they're still paying off the training loans they took out to get THEIR jobs.
 
Usually it's the aforementioned exchange, then if I'm interested, I'll say "How come you didn't check the 'pilot box' when you applied for XYZ?"
 
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The general public has no perception that the job Doug does on the MD-88 is any different than the job I do on the EMB-145.

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