Delta Hiring Update

n77j said:
I was day dreaming for a pilot base in SFO/ Bay Area:) I assume LAX is a senior base and the likelihood of a newbie getting that base is hard- from what i am hearing...
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Ebb and flow. You never know by the time you get there.

But the SFO hub, I think we'll sooner see zombies roaming the local mall in front of the Sbarros before we see that.

Which, with my luck, means it's right around the corner.
 
Derg said:
Ebb and flow. You never know by the time you get there.

But the SFO hub, I think we'll sooner see zombies roaming the local mall in front of the Sbarros before we see that.

Which, with my luck, means it's right around the corner.
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Walkers.
 
n77j said:
I was day dreaming for a pilot base in SFO/ Bay Area:) I assume LAX is a senior base and the likelihood of a newbie getting that base is hard- from what i am hearing...
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Someone in my new hire class got LAX in 2010 but you are correct, the west coast bases are fairly senior but not obscenely so if your goal is only to merely hold anything in either LAX, SLC, or SEA. They are certainly growth areas so things can and will probably change. No one probably would have expected new hires would go to ATL 757/767 this year either. It happened in 2008, didn't happen in 2010, but it's happening now...they won't last long there but...
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
It's been around a 30% pass rate... but you have to look at the demographics of the group that has done the SSP interviews so far. That was the senior group of lifers, and many of them are lifers for a reason.

The interview looks very strongly at personality, technical knowledge, and preparation. The lifers typically showed up with one of the 3. They have to make the same score that everyone else gets... there is no quota: they can hire everyone or no one.

I think the pass rate will jump up as they get to the main part of the pilot group that hasn't really had a chance to attempt to move on yet.
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Lol. The first couple groups were a 65%-85% pass rate until Delta figured out their new hire class for Endeavor would be four pilots, going down to 3. Lifers aren't filling out applications, they are lifers.

We down to the 05 hires for colgan, soon tobe 02 hires for Mesaba because so many haven't bothered to fill out the application. We will see if your logic holds.

For 30% (and I expect those numbers to go down) of our captains they'll have what we all want, an honest shot.
 
Trip7 said:
Why is ATL 75/76 going so junior? Got to be a reason current pilots don't want it
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Because they fly the bottom barrel trips which suck! International is flown by the top 40-45%. Reserves may get a sweet European trip, but mostly they get called in to fly the crap no one picks up, or that gets personal dropped. Plus, they will get displaced off the jet at the end of summer, and if not, will remain junior reserve forever in a shrinking fleet.
 
Cptnchia said:
Because they fly the bottom barrel trips which suck! International is flown by the top 40-45%. Reserves may get a sweet European trip, but mostly they get called in to fly the crap no one picks up, or that gets personal dropped. Plus, they will get displaced off the jet at the end of summer, and if not, will remain junior reserve forever in a shrinking fleet.
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I've heard the whole displacement thing from several places, and you're thinking logically if you believe that is the case. We are hiring 50 a month for the foreseeable future. New airplanes are delivered and we're growing. Not to mention, the latest AE awards have conversion dates far past summer! Think!
 
jynxyjoe said:
Lol. The first couple groups were a 65%-85% pass rate until Delta figured out their new hire class for Endeavor would be four pilots, going down to 3. Lifers aren't filling out applications, they are lifers.

We down to the 05 hires for colgan, soon tobe 02 hires for Mesaba because so many haven't bothered to fill out the application. We will see if your logic holds.

For 30% (and I expect those numbers to go down) of our captains they'll have what we all want, an honest shot.
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Delta hired everyone that made the score- don't try to make it into some conspiracy because it's not. . A good number of lifers did fill out applications attempting to not be lifers, but a good many did not. The 65-85% pass rate were the first couple days. However, that like most any large scale thing will be honed as it ebbs and flows and finally creates an average. The overall average thus far for the rather senior portion of the group was 30%.

It's logical to assume that the average pass rate will go up as you get into the main cadre of guys that want out but have not had a shot due to the stagnation the last few years. Were you really saying that they intentionally only hired 30%? If so... take a step back. It is a scored interview process with set standards. Everyone, SSP and off the street, is held to the same standard on day 1. Everyone that makes the score gets the offer.
 
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Trip7 said:
Why is ATL 75/76 going so junior? Got to be a reason current pilots don't want it
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Personally I wouldn't bid it as a new hire especially knowing that I would be right back in training within the year. In fact I'm looking to bid off in the not too distant future for the reasons @Cptnchia listed. It wasn't a bad deal for me when we stopped hiring because I was going to be on reserve no matter what I flew so I might as well take the extra money. Now that we're hiring again, the seniority on other equipment is tough to overlook no matter how much I like the airplane.
 
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PeanuckleCRJ said:
I've heard the whole displacement thing from several places, and you're thinking logically if you believe that is the case. We are hiring 50 a month for the foreseeable future. New airplanes are delivered and we're growing. Not to mention, the latest AE awards have conversion dates far past summer! Think!
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Peanuckle,Peanuckle,Peanuckle. You know better than this. Just because someone has an award for a certain base or plane, doesn't mean that they will actually do that. How many guys back during the merger were subsequently displaced from an award before said award was ever converted? Or worse, were in training when displaced, had to finish training on a plane they would never fly, and then have to start class immediately for a new plane as soon as they finished training on the old one. Never to have actually flown a single trip?

I like your enthusiam. A man has to have enthusiams. I'm a half glass full guy myself. I also don't believe a fraction of what spews from the fourth floor. Maybe because I had two subsequent jobs after getting "The Last Job I'll Ever Have."tm I'm excited about the growth. It just won't be happening in the 7ER.
 
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I agree @Cptnchia. They will stick to the 75/76 retirement schedule unfortunately. They may not necessarily displace from the category unless they have to but they certainly won't be backfilling as people continue to bid off. The 7ER category is pretty much at a standstill from a middle to long term perspective.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
Delta hired everyone that made the score- don't try to make it into some conspiracy because it's not. . A good number of lifers did fill out applications attempting to not be lifers, but a good many did not. The 65-85% pass rate were the first couple days. However, that like most any large scale thing will be honed as it ebbs and flows and finally creates an average. The overall average thus far for the rather senior portion of the group was 30%.

It's logical to assume that the average pass rate will go up as you get into the main cadre of guys that want out but have not had a shot due to the stagnation the last few years. Were you really saying that they intentionally only hired 30%? If so... take a step back. It is a scored interview process with set standards. Everyone, SSP and off the street, is held to the same standard on day 1. Everyone that makes the score gets the offer.
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Lol, wut? I think it's awesome you speak on behalf of the hiring board, but are you really willing to testify to every SSP interview so far? The guys goingthrough the process told me there are different interview rooms with different people. I haven't gone through the SSP but I've been told the testing is a set standard but the panel is little more from the hip, and you are selling yourself.

Conspiracy is a strong word, but the dates line up even if you don't like it. If you think that data set is meaningless that's fine, I choose to see the cliff drop for something else.

As for taking a step back, I'm afraid I don't know what the issue is. If you need everyone to be in lockstep that the SSP is completely fair, I'm afraid this is the internet. Sorry.

Doesn't matter to me, I don't get the SSP, I just get the soul crushed returned to senders :) . Pretty awesome.
 
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