Delta Embargo Dates

alphaone

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If you guys all remember the fiasco that I had trying to get up to Cleveland using a buddy pass......Over Christmas break I was going to head down to ATL and visit my brother and to avoid the same situation I was wondering what days Delta has embargoed over Xmas if anyone would be so kind to share that info. Thanks!
 
Haven't got ahold of him in a while. I've had these plans for sometime, but I know they have alot of travel embargo days in December. I was just trying to find out sooner than later that's all...
 
Did you even bother to read my previous reply where I posted the TravelNet bulletin outlining embargo dates for 2005?

http://forums.jetcareers.com/showthread.php?p=291626#post291626

Since you didn't, I'll repost it again.







From a TravelNet bulletin posted July 7, 2005, and still bookmarked with a link on the first page of TravelNet:

Pay particular attention to the bolded items, looks like your "friend" let you down big time. It was clearly his responsibility.




Corporate Communications July 7, 2005 Page 1




New embargo dates for Family and Friends pass travel



Overview:​



Delta is introducing embargo dates during heavy travel periods for Family and Friends pass riders
as part of a companywide commitment to improve customer service. Reducing the number of
nonrevenue standby travelers will allow employees to focus their efforts on serving customers.
Standby travel will not be permitted for Family and Friends pass riders on Nov. 23, 27 and 28; Dec.
23; or Jan. 2. Additional embargo dates for 2006 will be posted on TravelNet later this year. This
embargo includes all worldwide travel on Delta, Song and Delta Connection Carriers. Embargo
periods begin at 12 midnight Eastern Time on each of the specified dates.
Beginning July 12, TravelNet and Deltamatic will prohibit pricing for a Family and Friends fare if any
segment in an itinerary departs on an embargo date, including connecting flights. There is no
technology in place that will prohibit creating a meal list on an embargo date, so it is very important
that everyone who receives an allotment of Family and Friends passes should be sure to tell their
pass riders about these restricted dates to help prevent operational challenges and inconveniences
for Family and Friends pass riders at the airport. Even if a Family and Friends listing is created or
ticketed, Family and Friends standby travelers will not be permitted to fly on an embargo date.
Those who have already purchased tickets for travel on an embargo date must choose alternate
days. They also may select a new destination and pay the applicable fare difference; or request a
refund. They will not be charged a change fee.



Key Messages:​



•​
Delta is implementing embargo dates during busy travel periods for all Family and Friends
standby travelers so that employees will have more time to focus on customer service.




•​
The 2005 embargo dates are Nov. 23, 27 and 28; Dec. 23; or Jan. 2. Information on other
embargo dates for 2006 will be available on TravelNet later this year.




•​
We do not take actions of this kind without serious consideration of the impact on our
employees and travelers who use their Family and Friends passes.




•​
Family and Friends pass riders who have purchased a ticket on or before July 7 for travel on
embargo dates must select alternate days. They also may choose a different destination and
pay any difference in fare, or request a refund. They will not be charged a change fee.




•​
Beginning July 12, TravelNet and Deltamatic will prohibit Family and Friends fare pricing if any
segment in an itinerary departs on an embargo date.




•​
At this time, there is no technology in place that will prohibit creating a standby listing (or meal
list) on an embargo date, so it is very important that everyone who receives an allotment of
Family and Friends passes tell their pass riders about these restricted dates to help prevent
operational challenges and inconveniences for Family and Friends pass riders at the airport.
Even if a nonrevenue listing is created or ticketed, Family and Friends standby travelers will
not be permitted to fly on an embargo date. Employees have to work especially hard during
busy travel periods to provide customers with the high level of service they expect and
demonstrate that we value their support and loyalty.




•​
Load factors historically hit their peak during holiday travel periods, and can present a challenge
to the operation, especially when coupled with the possibility of irregular operations.




•​
Processing standby travelers dilutes an employee’s ability to focus on serving Delta customers.
Prohibiting Family and Friends standby on key dates will reduce the number of standby travelers
and subsequently help the operation.




Corporate Communications July 7, 2005 Page 2​



Questions and Answers​



Q1.) What is Delta doing? Why?​



A1.) Delta is introducing embargo dates during busy travel periods for Family and Friends pass
riders, as part of a companywide commitment to improving customer service. Reducing the
number of nonrevenue standby travelers will allow employees to focus their efforts on
serving customers.



Q2.) Who is directly impacted by these embargo dates?​



A2.) All standby passengers using a Family and Friends pass are prohibited from traveling on
specified embargo travel dates.
Standby and yield fare passengers listed in an active or retired employee’s PPR are not
affected by the embargo dates.



Q3.) What about the difference in time zones? Is the embargo period based on local date​

and time at the airport where I’m boarding?



A3.) Original pricing and reissues will be prohibited if any portion of the itinerary originates travel
on a specified embargo day.



Q4.) How does Delta determine which dates will be prohibited?​



A4.) Historical data is very reliable and provides the most accurate measure for predicting future
bookings. The dates selected are some of the most heavily-traveled dates of the year.



Q5.) Which days are prohibited in 2005? What about 2006?​



A5.) Embargo dates for Family and Friends pass riders are Nov. 23, 27 and 28; Dec. 23; and
Jan. 2. Additional embargo dates for 2006 will be posted on TravelNet later this year.



Q6.) What if I’m traveling to a destination that doesn’t celebrate a particular holiday, such​

as Thanksgiving?



A6.) The designated dates prohibit worldwide travel on Delta, Song and Delta Connection
Carriers.



Q7.) How will I know which dates are embargoed?​



A7.) Embargo dates will be listed on TravelNet. If you forget to check the dates, pricing will be
prohibited for a Family and Friends ticket on TravelNet or Deltamatic if any segment in an
itinerary departs on an embargo date; and Delta’s nonrevenue voice response unit (VRU)
will not provide flight availability for an embargo date.



Q8.) What happens if the person using my Family and Friends pass lists for a flight and
goes to the airport to standby on a prohibited travel date?



A8.) TravelNet and Deltamatic will prohibit pricing or reissuing a Family and Friends ticket for
travel on these dates, but there is no automation that will prevent an employee from
creating an airport listing. However, even if a nonrevenue listing is created, Family and
Friends standby travelers will not be permitted to fly on an embargo date. That is why it is
especially important for everyone who receives an allotment of Family and Friends passes
to tell the people who use their passes about these restricted dates, just like they do with
dress code guidelines or other established pass-rider rules.



Q9.) What if a flight looks wide open? Will there be any exceptions?



A9.) No. There will be no exceptions



Q10.) Will Delta permit travel on an embargo date in an emergency or bereavement
situation?



A10.) No.​



Corporate Communications July 7, 2005 Page 3​



Q11.) What if I have already had a ticket issued for travel dates that are now prohibited?​



A11.) Family and Friends pass riders must choose a new date to travel, or may change their
destination. Delta will also waive the $25 change fee for destination changes, however, any
applicable difference in fare will be charged. Travel must be completed within one year
from original ticket issuance for tickets issued on/after May 18, 2005.
NOTE: Tickets issued prior to May 18, 2005 must complete all travel by September 15,
2005.



Q12.) What if I try to standby on the day before an embargo date and cannot get on a​

flight? Can I try to standby the next day?



A12.) No. Travel will not be permitted until the first permissible date.​
 
As a Delta (well Comair) CSA I think the embargo is a load of crap. While I have not had anyone try to travel on those days, I feel that if there is a seat it should belong to them.

I personally would be significantly more pissed if I did not have the chance to travel, than to be bumped.

As Doug and Kristie have stated numerous times, the employee should tell what flights have seats, and advise when a wise travel date is. If it happens to be Jan 2 or whatever, the employee should advise about the loads. Big-D should stay out of my bennies, especially if I have to pay $50 for it. I guess I am just a little ticked about the situation.
 
MDPilot said:
Did you even bother to read my previous reply where I posted the TravelNet bulletin outlining embargo dates for 2005?

http://forums.jetcareers.com/showthread.php?p=291626#post291626

Since you didn't, I'll repost it again.







From a TravelNet bulletin posted July 7, 2005, and still bookmarked with a link on the first page of TravelNet:

Pay particular attention to the bolded items, looks like your "friend" let you down big time. It was clearly his responsibility.




Corporate Communications July 7, 2005 Page 1




New embargo dates for Family and Friends pass travel



Overview:​



Delta is introducing embargo dates during heavy travel periods for Family and Friends pass riders
as part of a companywide commitment to improve customer service. Reducing the number of
nonrevenue standby travelers will allow employees to focus their efforts on serving customers.
Standby travel will not be permitted for Family and Friends pass riders on Nov. 23, 27 and 28; Dec.
23; or Jan. 2. Additional embargo dates for 2006 will be posted on TravelNet later this year. This
embargo includes all worldwide travel on Delta, Song and Delta Connection Carriers. Embargo
periods begin at 12 midnight Eastern Time on each of the specified dates.
Beginning July 12, TravelNet and Deltamatic will prohibit pricing for a Family and Friends fare if any
segment in an itinerary departs on an embargo date, including connecting flights. There is no
technology in place that will prohibit creating a meal list on an embargo date, so it is very important
that everyone who receives an allotment of Family and Friends passes should be sure to tell their
pass riders about these restricted dates to help prevent operational challenges and inconveniences
for Family and Friends pass riders at the airport. Even if a Family and Friends listing is created or
ticketed, Family and Friends standby travelers will not be permitted to fly on an embargo date.
Those who have already purchased tickets for travel on an embargo date must choose alternate
days. They also may select a new destination and pay the applicable fare difference; or request a
refund. They will not be charged a change fee.



Key Messages:​



•​
Delta is implementing embargo dates during busy travel periods for all Family and Friends
standby travelers so that employees will have more time to focus on customer service.




•​
The 2005 embargo dates are Nov. 23, 27 and 28; Dec. 23; or Jan. 2. Information on other
embargo dates for 2006 will be available on TravelNet later this year.




•​
We do not take actions of this kind without serious consideration of the impact on our
employees and travelers who use their Family and Friends passes.




•​
Family and Friends pass riders who have purchased a ticket on or before July 7 for travel on
embargo dates must select alternate days. They also may choose a different destination and
pay any difference in fare, or request a refund. They will not be charged a change fee.




•​
Beginning July 12, TravelNet and Deltamatic will prohibit Family and Friends fare pricing if any
segment in an itinerary departs on an embargo date.




•​
At this time, there is no technology in place that will prohibit creating a standby listing (or meal
list) on an embargo date, so it is very important that everyone who receives an allotment of
Family and Friends passes tell their pass riders about these restricted dates to help prevent
operational challenges and inconveniences for Family and Friends pass riders at the airport.
Even if a nonrevenue listing is created or ticketed, Family and Friends standby travelers will
not be permitted to fly on an embargo date. Employees have to work especially hard during
busy travel periods to provide customers with the high level of service they expect and
demonstrate that we value their support and loyalty.




•​
Load factors historically hit their peak during holiday travel periods, and can present a challenge
to the operation, especially when coupled with the possibility of irregular operations.




•​
Processing standby travelers dilutes an employee’s ability to focus on serving Delta customers.
Prohibiting Family and Friends standby on key dates will reduce the number of standby travelers
and subsequently help the operation.




Corporate Communications July 7, 2005 Page 2​



Questions and Answers​



Q1.) What is Delta doing? Why?​



A1.) Delta is introducing embargo dates during busy travel periods for Family and Friends pass
riders, as part of a companywide commitment to improving customer service. Reducing the
number of nonrevenue standby travelers will allow employees to focus their efforts on
serving customers.



Q2.) Who is directly impacted by these embargo dates?​



A2.) All standby passengers using a Family and Friends pass are prohibited from traveling on
specified embargo travel dates.
Standby and yield fare passengers listed in an active or retired employee’s PPR are not
affected by the embargo dates.



Q3.) What about the difference in time zones? Is the embargo period based on local date​

and time at the airport where I’m boarding?



A3.) Original pricing and reissues will be prohibited if any portion of the itinerary originates travel
on a specified embargo day.



Q4.) How does Delta determine which dates will be prohibited?​



A4.) Historical data is very reliable and provides the most accurate measure for predicting future
bookings. The dates selected are some of the most heavily-traveled dates of the year.



Q5.) Which days are prohibited in 2005? What about 2006?​



A5.) Embargo dates for Family and Friends pass riders are Nov. 23, 27 and 28; Dec. 23; and
Jan. 2. Additional embargo dates for 2006 will be posted on TravelNet later this year.



Q6.) What if I’m traveling to a destination that doesn’t celebrate a particular holiday, such​

as Thanksgiving?



A6.) The designated dates prohibit worldwide travel on Delta, Song and Delta Connection
Carriers.



Q7.) How will I know which dates are embargoed?​



A7.) Embargo dates will be listed on TravelNet. If you forget to check the dates, pricing will be
prohibited for a Family and Friends ticket on TravelNet or Deltamatic if any segment in an
itinerary departs on an embargo date; and Delta’s nonrevenue voice response unit (VRU)
will not provide flight availability for an embargo date.



Q8.) What happens if the person using my Family and Friends pass lists for a flight and
goes to the airport to standby on a prohibited travel date?



A8.) TravelNet and Deltamatic will prohibit pricing or reissuing a Family and Friends ticket for
travel on these dates, but there is no automation that will prevent an employee from
creating an airport listing. However, even if a nonrevenue listing is created, Family and
Friends standby travelers will not be permitted to fly on an embargo date. That is why it is
especially important for everyone who receives an allotment of Family and Friends passes
to tell the people who use their passes about these restricted dates, just like they do with
dress code guidelines or other established pass-rider rules.



Q9.) What if a flight looks wide open? Will there be any exceptions?



A9.) No. There will be no exceptions



Q10.) Will Delta permit travel on an embargo date in an emergency or bereavement
situation?



A10.) No.​



Corporate Communications July 7, 2005 Page 3​



Q11.) What if I have already had a ticket issued for travel dates that are now prohibited?​



A11.) Family and Friends pass riders must choose a new date to travel, or may change their
destination. Delta will also waive the $25 change fee for destination changes, however, any
applicable difference in fare will be charged. Travel must be completed within one year
from original ticket issuance for tickets issued on/after May 18, 2005.
NOTE: Tickets issued prior to May 18, 2005 must complete all travel by September 15,
2005.



Q12.) What if I try to standby on the day before an embargo date and cannot get on a​

flight? Can I try to standby the next day?



A12.) No. Travel will not be permitted until the first permissible date.​
Thanks. I really appreciate it.
 
What they are trying to do by imposing the embargo is to keep the buddy pass travel from getting stuck somewhere, especially if connecting, and not be able to reach destination. Though that is a risk you take flying on a buddy pass or non-reving period thats all part of it.
 
Tim said:
What they are trying to do by imposing the embargo is to keep the buddy pass travel from getting stuck somewhere, especially if connecting, and not be able to reach destination. Though that is a risk you take flying on a buddy pass or non-reving period thats all part of it.

My point exactly, If they want to chance it, by all means go ahead. It really does not take that much time to clear Nonrevs, plus if they have to be rebooked thats another 30 seconds per PNR, after the flight and the paying customers have left. Big-D's reason for this just does not cut it. If they do get stuck that is their fault and the fault of the employee for not telling them about the loads.

I enjoy geting my fellow employees and their pass riders to their destinations, whatever day of the year it is. Like I said earlier if there is a seat, no matter the day of the year, it should be theirs....especially if we are paying for the pass bennies.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Anyone know when Continentals "embargo" dates are...anyone,anyone?

;)

-Matthew

Lets see here:
CO: no embargo
NW: no embargo
AA: no embargo
US: no embargo
UA: no embargo
WN: no embargo

See a trend here? Big-D is bending us, the employees, over a nice rough log, and screwing us hard... there, that was PG-13 enough
 
OldTownPilot said:
Lets see here:
CO: no embargo
NW: no embargo
AA: no embargo
US: no embargo
UA: no embargo
WN: no embargo

See a trend here? Big-D is bending us, the employees, over a nice rough log, and screwing us hard... there, that was PG-13 enough

...My humor is completely lost on you. But thanks for taking me seriously!

:)

-Matthew
 
UA has some embargoes, or at least they say they do on the non-rev 1-800 number. hasn't slowed down any of my eligibles (yet).
 
Dude, if you've really, unequivocably, absolutely got to be somewhere, buy a ticket.

And if you can't make it, your point of contact is the employee you got the buddy pass from. I'd love to call the guy and tell him to stop issuing buddy passes to his pals unless he's going to back them up and take them under his wing.g
 
Doug Taylor said:
Dude, if you've really, unequivocably, absolutely got to be somewhere, buy a ticket.

And if you can't make it, your point of contact is the employee you got the buddy pass from. I'd love to call the guy and tell him to stop issuing buddy passes to his pals unless he's going to back them up and take them under his wing.g
I don't have a problem with them just looking for a little info. that's all:) I was thinking about using them to see my brother since I had some time off......I'll probably just go in spring now anyway.......
 
alphaone said:
I don't have a problem with them just looking for a little info. that's all :) I was thinking about using them to see my brother since I had some time off......I'll probably just go in spring now anyway.......

Oooooooh ummmm,ummmm looking at the list dates and you could have some problems. There are embargos in the spring!

-Matthew
 
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