Delta 717 dual engine failure?

BobDDuck said:
I'm sure one of our resident C5 drivers has better details. but from what I recall, the cockpit crew was made up of an AC, an IP and an examiner, although nobody was actually being checked.
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Two FEs also on the cockpit crew.

The FE mafia bosses would not be forgiving of your oversight....... :)
 
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MikeD said:
Two FEs also on the cockpit crew.

The FE mafia bosses would not be forgiving of your oversight....... :)
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Damn skippy! :P

I would say that I make it a point when I'm on a crew like that, where everyone is over qualified, to state the obvious... Everyone must be willing to speak up if something doesn't feel right, can't wait for the trainee to say something. Nothing more dangerous than a flight crew full of instructors.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
Man, the idea of crashing without knowing it's coming is terrifying.
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Actually, I kind of prefer that to the idea of seeing it coming. To me, the nightmare is what happened to the 747 crew on National 102. Losing control of your airplane and knowing that there's not a damned thing you can do about it as you plummet to your death is a pretty horrifying thing. Just having the lights go out without seeing it coming seems like a much preferred way to go (if you have to go).
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Actually, I kind of prefer that to the idea of seeing it coming. To me, the nightmare is what happened to the 747 crew on National 102. Losing control of your airplane and knowing that there's not a damned thing you can do about it as you plummet to your death is a pretty horrifying thing. Just having the lights go out without seeing it coming seems like a much preferred way to go (if you have to go).
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+1
Having to know what's coming and not being able to do anything about it is not how I want to go. Alaska 261 comes to mind.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Actually, I kind of prefer that to the idea of seeing it coming. To me, the nightmare is what happened to the 747 crew on National 102. Losing control of your airplane and knowing that there's not a damned thing you can do about it as you plummet to your death is a pretty horrifying thing. Just having the lights go out without seeing it coming seems like a much preferred way to go (if you have to go).
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I prefer to die in my sleep after I retire and am old...not just Derg old either. :p
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Actually, I kind of prefer that to the idea of seeing it coming. To me, the nightmare is what happened to the 747 crew on National 102. Losing control of your airplane and knowing that there's not a damned thing you can do about it as you plummet to your death is a pretty horrifying thing. Just having the lights go out without seeing it coming seems like a much preferred way to go (if you have to go).
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Never give up fighting is my answer to that. I personally know a guy who had a beech 18 load shift on him and fought it all the way through the crash and freakin' miraculously walked away because he fought it all the way through the crash. In his recounting of the story he says the only reason he lived is because he kept fighting and luck. The ship isn't dead until you're dead, that's how I see it. Do something, at least die fighting the inevitable.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Actually, I kind of prefer that to the idea of seeing it coming. To me, the nightmare is what happened to the 747 crew on National 102. Losing control of your airplane and knowing that there's not a damned thing you can do about it as you plummet to your death is a pretty horrifying thing. Just having the lights go out without seeing it coming seems like a much preferred way to go (if you have to go).
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Or like that SwissAir flight that went down in Canada awhile back. The pilots had molten metal from the overheard panel dripping on them as they went in.
 
HVYMETALDRVR said:
Or like that SwissAir flight that went down in Canada awhile back. The pilots had molten metal from the overheard panel dripping on them as they went in.
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An admirable attempt to fight it all the way down. The one that just boggles my mind is the FO of UPS Flight 6 in Dubai. I am truly in awe at what he was able to do under the circumstances and how close he came to salvaging the situation while flying blind, solo, and with a deteriorating aircraft. Here is the final report for anyone who hasn't read it: UPS 6 Final Report (a hard read!).
 
I have told all my students...Fly the plane to the scene of the accident! You'd be surprised what you can walk away from...
 
ATN_Pilot said:
So I'm out at the airport today doing a repo flight, and one of our mechanics tells us an interesting story that he says he heard from a Delta guy. According to him, a Delta 717 crew was flying and watching a movie on an iPad, and they had set the iPad up on the center pedestal resting against the throttles so they could both see it. They start an idle clamp descent and the autothrottles come all the way back knocking the iPad down and hitting the fuel switches, causing a dual engine failure. They restart the engines and everything is fine afterwards.

Any truth to this? I tried setting an iPad up there while I was at the hangar, and sure enough, it would happen exactly that way if you had an iPad propped up there and the throttles came back. The iPad slides off and catches the fuel switches just right to lift them off of their gate and drop them to the off position. Still, seems like a fantastical story.
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Wouldn't have happened on an Airbus. Thrust levers don't move and the engine master switches are very secure in the on position.


Airbus - 1
Boeing - 0

;)
 
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