Delta 121 control issue

While I don’t disagree why the hesitation, I also don’t see a problem with taking a breathe, assessing what’s going on, coming up with a plan and then make the call to declare the mayday. I don’t see that they weren’t able to get what they wanted from ATC. When did they actually declare?
 
I think most are apprehensive about declaring an emergency by nature. Whether it’s the old “now we have paperwork to do” excuse or whatever. Seems like a lot of the time ATC ends up declaring the emergency. I’ve watched it in the sim at “baby widget”. There a flight control issue was an automatic emergency but guys were so hesitant about it rather than declaring and getting the help they need.
 
ADS-B data indicates this aircraft, N410DZ, which was made when BTS and Olivia Rodrigo topped the charts, made its next flight 24 hours later to complete the flight to Tokyo.

Five days later, 02FEB, another Delta A330 had a flap issue on departure, dumped fuel, and returned to KMSP.
 
Minuteman said:
ADS-B data indicates this aircraft, N410DZ, which was made when BTS and Olivia Rodrigo topped the charts, made its next flight 24 hours later to complete the flight to Tokyo.

Five days later, 02FEB, another Delta A330 had a flap issue on departure, dumped fuel, and returned to KMSP.
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Our union used to send out emails about maintenance hogs, where they highlighted aircraft with recurring issues. It’s pretty surprising how much stuff gets pushed down the road after pulling a couple of breakers on the Bus.
 
phill1174 said:
I think most are apprehensive about declaring an emergency by nature. Whether it’s the old “now we have paperwork to do” excuse or whatever.
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We literally have an ipad app for doing paperwork and have to do it for practically everything (autolands, replacing a light bulb, etc). At our shop i'd like to think declaring is not a big deal.
 
Minuteman said:
ADS-B data indicates this aircraft, N410DZ, which was made when BTS and Olivia Rodrigo topped the charts, made its next flight 24 hours later to complete the flight to Tokyo.

Five days later, 02FEB, another Delta A330 had a flap issue on departure, dumped fuel, and returned to KMSP.
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Roas, I expect more from you. Since when can a 330 dump fuel?
 
Yes and no.

On my couch, I think I'd have declared off the bat.

But out in the real world. Hot damn, then the 20 questions start, "how much fuel do you have in minutes? How many souls on board? Change to this frequency, etc etc etc"

I had an engine failure out of ORD one day and we waited to declare until we were on single-freq. Largely for selfish reasons like I didn't want it plastered all over the local Chicago media and we had it under control.
 
We don't even suggest burning off fuel or dumping, if it's available. I don't even think we have a procedure for dumping.

Basically, if sh-- happens, you can make it back into the runway you took off from, but you want to run the overweight landing checklist first.

Of course it's "time permitting" as I'd rather poop myself on the taxi in rather than in flight flying circles.
 
Minuteman said:
Oops, yer right. I incorretly replaced "burned off" with "dumped."

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Yeah, but when I return to work, I plan on going back to the 330. This alone is reason for you to know about it!
 
I was at the aircraft viewing area the night it happened. They had rolled the trucks as the breaks were 'glowing orange'


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I will argue that they did a good job by the sounds of it. I wasn't in the cockpit so I won't judge. I don't know what they were working with but it sounds like maybe some airspeed unreliable, possible alternate law situation.

I just had this discussion in CQ about declaring. We teach and preach to aviate, navigate, then communicate. Looks like the crew flew the airplane and worked the problem, stayed clear of clouds by navigating, THEN declared when the time permitted.
 
Skåning said:
We literally have an ipad app for doing paperwork and have to do it for practically everything (autolands, replacing a light bulb, etc). At our shop i'd like to think declaring is not a big deal.
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With all the forms on the iPad “doing paperwork” shouldn’t be a hassle but unfortunately for some it is. Hell we can’t even get people to event reports (FCR’s, whatever they’re called at OAL’s) for stuff as simple as not receiving catering. Then when it’s time for the union to fight they have no ammo.
 
phill1174 said:
With all the forms on the iPad “doing paperwork” shouldn’t be a hassle but unfortunately for some it is. Hell we can’t even get people to event reports (FCR’s, whatever they’re called at OAL’s) for stuff as simple as not receiving catering. Then when it’s time for the union to fight they have no ammo.
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In fairness, part of a reporting, just and learning culture is that something happens when you do bother to report whatever, not "Oh thanks for the report, it'll be used to 'enhance safety', teehee, bye."
 
DPApilot said:
Roas, I expect more from you. Since when can a 330 dump fuel?
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All of our -200s can. Our prior POI had a fear of overweight landings so all of the 330s came configured to dump gas. Pretty quick checklist to run once you get a few minutes on a long divert and makes for one less thing to think about during a landing.
 
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