747Dispatcher
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wow , sounds like a typical pilot
wouldn't it be part of your job to pass your arrival info / log pages ..etc before leaving ?
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wow , sounds like a typical pilot
wouldn't it be part of your job to pass your arrival info / log pages ..etc before leaving ?
BayouMLU
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10 mins to offload the aircraft + 10 mins to get the crew off the aircraft and to the front of the terminal + 15-20 mins to drive to the hotel and get out of the van + 5-7 mins to check in and walk to the room = 40-47 mins the aircraft has been on the ground unaccounted for at a minimum. If that's how one must verify whether or not the aircraft has landed safely, one has completely botched their primary responsibility as a dispatcher.
BayouMLU
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Cptnchia
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Actually, it's not.
Sounds like a typical dispatcher.
Actually, it's not my job. Is it your job to fly the plane, or unload the bags? Do you do the jobs of others? It's the station's responsibility to update the times. Logs stay onboard the plane. MX is responsible to remove them.
My AO ends at brake set. End of story.
Cptnchia
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We get paid either block or better. If we overblock, and the pay card hasn't been updated automatically, I just submit a times change request next time I duty in.
BayouMLU
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So there is no policy or standard in place to ensure that the aircraft reported times?
Cptnchia
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There is a policy or standard in place. When the aircraft is airborne, I am required to maintain comms with the company. As soon as I land, I am relieved of that responsibility and it becomes the station's responsibility to ensure ON/IN times. I am not privy to their policy or whatever procedures they have in place to ensure the times are recorded.
who'swho
Don't hesitate. Penetrate!
You are relieved of those responsibilities when you call the times in whether it is to ops or dispatch or whatever. I've never had a pilot not answer my phone call or call back right away when I'm trying to track down times.
who'swho
Don't hesitate. Penetrate!
It's kind of funny when you think about it... The whole point for dispatch to track times is to ensure that the flight landed safely and to roll the trucks if need be but here we have a pilot who all they care about is getting paid. Hopefully you never need dispatch to make that call to roll the trucks.
who'swho
Don't hesitate. Penetrate!
Dispatch is the last line of defense.
Cptnchia
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Just went through our FOM. There is absolutely no mention of the flight crew being responsible for ensuring flight times are entered. Maybe your shop is different.
As for a call, in 22 years of 121 flying I have never been called by a dispatcher looking for flight times.
Just pointing out that there is no one right answer. Every company has different procedures. What works for a legacy, a regional just may not have the resources to duplicate.
So im guessing your FOM says that STATIONS are responsible for entering flight times
BayouMLU
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Interesting. I have seen in GOMs at a couple different carriers that the pilot will communicate times to the station or dispatcher if ACARS fails to do so. It avoid use of the word "responsibility" or "policy" but it's quiet clear the process that will occur. Of course it doesn't really happen that way and some pilot groups are more responsible with this information than others. If i had to guess it's because the GOM mentioned it, the FOM probably didn't.
Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate your perspective.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
The FOM is the company manual for pilots. You'd have to access whatever manual system the company has established for ACS. I do not have access to that, just as station personnel do not have access to the FOM.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
To be brutally honest, if dispatch calling CFR is what brings the trucks, the fires will most likely already be burnt out and the only thing left is to break out the body bags and call the NTSB.
I thought ACARS was AUTOMATIC going off of the parking brake for IN/OUT times and the WoW sensor for ON/OFF requiring no crew or station manual sending of times other than to login to acars.
Cptnchia
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Interesting. I have seen in GOMs at a couple different carriers that the pilot will communicate times to the station or dispatcher if ACARS fails to do so. It avoid use of the word "responsibility" or "policy" but it's quiet clear the process that will occur. Of course it doesn't really happen that way and some pilot groups are more responsible with this information than others. If i had to guess it's because the GOM mentioned it, the FOM probably didn't.
Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate your perspective.
As far as I can find, all ours says is that the crew will maintain comms with the company while the engines are running. It doesn't say a word as to any required reports.
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Roger Roger
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ACARS ain't magic, it's gotta have something to connect to to report those times. Which you might not have in BFE.
Cptnchia
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You're missing the issue of connectivity. Yes, ACARS is automatic. But it TRANSMITS on VHF and/or satcom. If it cannot connect to a valid radio signal or satellite, nothing is going I/O. Think of it as being in a dead zone with your mobile phone. Without bars, you're not making calls or texting. There are dead zones in the ARINC network that ACARS uses.