DCA vs part 61

DE727UPS

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There has been a lot of talk about how fast you can make it to the regionals if you go to DCA and how slow a process it is if you go the part 61/FBO/CFI/135 freight route.

I want to tell you about my friend/mentoree who's currently in the process.

He started flying in 1999 at a part 61 flight school while going to college full time....college slowed the progress, initially, no doubt. He worked as a bartender at the nicest hotel in Spokane. No loans.

College graduation and his commercial single land, commercial single engine sea, commercial multi-engine land, and CFI were in 03.

He did a little free lance CFIing and got a job this summer with a VFR 135 in Cessna 206's and 207's. He now has 1100 total and a "hire in Jan-March sounds very promising" for a multi 135 freight job. The flying at his current job is slowing down for the winter but he makes $100 a day.

Assuming he gets hired in Jan/March at the twin job and stays nine months (not a strech), he'll be around 1700 total and 500+ multi two years after he got his commercial single.

He won't need a guaranteed interview cause he'll have several choices, with those times.

If he had done his private and instrument in six months, it wouldn't be a stretch to say 2.5 years from day one to better than 1500 total/500 multi....and a regional interview.

I think this compares to DCA at far less cost.

No, my friend doesn't have the advantage of a CRJ sim or CRM classes....he just flys 207's into grass strips that hardly look like runways. He'll do fine at regional training without that stuff as the airline itself will provide it.

As for me, the first jet sim I ever flew was when I upgraded to the right seat on the 727, after being an F/E on it. The first and only CRM class I ever took was about ten years ago after UPS decided we needed to have a class on it.
 
and....they are the only school that serves the ENTIRE Delta connection system...
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He started flying in 1999 at a part 61 flight school while going to college full time...

He now has 1100 total and a "hire in Jan-March sounds very promising" for a multi 135 freight job.

Assuming he gets hired in Jan/March at the twin job and stays nine months (not a strech), he'll be around 1700 total and 500+ multi two years after he got his commercial single.

He won't need a guaranteed interview cause he'll have several choices, with those times.

If he had done his private and instrument in six months, it wouldn't be a stretch to say 2.5 years from day one to better than 1500 total/500 multi....and a regional interview.

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So he started in 1999.... we are in 2004... that's 5 years...

ASSUMING he does get hired by the part 135 outfit, which is a possibility, but hasn't happened yet. He'll then fly out of grass strips on a 207 (something I assume that according to you is very important to learn when you want to fly a jet) for how long? 9 more months ??? that gives a total of almost 6 years...pretty fast indeed...

I understand where you are coming from... that is the experience you have and it has worked for you and others. But DCA does work, and every instructor that I've met that are now flying part 121 told me that it is worth every penny...
 
yeah well at least this fellow Don is talkin about wont have KeyBank owning him for the next 10 years unlike your "wonderful" school.
 
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He'll then fly out of grass strips on a 207 (something I assume that according to you is very important to learn when you want to fly a jet) . . .

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it's not flying a jet...it's flying.

You weirdos and this "I want to be an airline pilot" crap. What happened to just being a pilot? Why, if I was still in the Corps...

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Well...I'll keep you informed on his progress and see how the race goes. He had to turn down a chance at a regional interview today that his roomate helped him get cause he didn't have enough multi time.

Planediveguy. It's not much of a race if you don't post your stats. Like, when you got your ratings, degree, and your hours.
 
Here it goes:

I am 38 years old and married.

Started DCA in late July 2002. By early Agust 2003 I had: Private, Instrument, Commercial Single, Commercial Multi, CFI and CFII.

I had to wait for Standz class and graduated in December 10th 2003. I then taught ground school until February. Since then I taught Instrument and commercial students. I was selected for a group leader position and stage check instructor. Which is slowing me down, but in my case It doesn't bother me as I am waiting for my adjustment of status with the INS ( My wife is american and so was my grandpa).

I have over 500 hours and I am going slow... I don't need to race your friend... and that is not the purpose of the discussion is it? I have friends that graduated with me in the Decembver Standz class that have over 700 hours and are getting their MEI this month. They will be out to the airlines by the end of the year, that's 2.5 years. while it will take me 3 years...

If you read my other posts you should realize that there are different ways to acomplish the same thing. I just don't get it that it has to be your way. Some poeple, like your friend will do fine on part 61, some won't. The same is valid for DCA.
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Hey Loyd,

Do I need to remind you again that this is the JETcareers.com forum? It means that people here are trying to get into a JET...

There is nothing wrong in being a pilot, and I wish I was young and single and able to affor the time.... I would be in Alaska in no time...
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Hey Loyd,

Do I need to remind you again that this is the JETcareers.com forum? It means that people here are trying to get into a JET...

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There's nothing on the main page that says anything about wanting to fly jets....

So, no, you do not need to remind me.
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There's nothing on the main page that says anything about wanting to fly jets....

So, no, you do not need to remind me.
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Ok PILOTCAREERS.COM it is then....
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There's nothing on the main page that says anything about wanting to fly jets....

So, no, you do not need to remind me.
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Ok PILOTCAREERS.COM it is then....
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Yes...yes, that's it....

So, this site isn't for folks that fly or want to fly turbo-props?

I'll bet that I can get an official statement that this website wasn't designed for, and is not intended exclusively for, jet pilots....
 
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OK,OK, You win!

Save Doug from the hassle...

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Well, I'm giving you the chance to be right....
 
"They tell us that seniority is the big thing in the airlines...so getting there first is a big thing. You can spend 5 to 6 years out there flying freight, towing and instructing to get enough hours to be competitive... or you can spend the $$$ to get it done in 2 to 3 years... the choice is yours"

and now....

"I don't need to race your friend... and that is not the purpose of the discussion is it?"

Sorry for the confusion. Your first post seems to indicate that it IS a race....that DCA can offer you a faster track. I am simply trying to refute your argument that DCA will get you there faster than part 61/freight. I don't think it will and I'm using my friend as an example.

I'll admit that the jury is still out since my friend hasn't made it to a regional yet. You say it's gonna be three years for you. I'll wait until my friend gets on at a regional and we'll see how long it took him. It's only fair to assume he could have had his private and instrument in six months had it not been for college. That puts him on track for 3 years to a regional if he gets hired at a regional before the end of next year....I'd bet money on that one.

I have no idea how much money he's spent, nor how much you've spent. I probably don't want to know.....
 
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OK,OK, You win!

Save Doug from the hassle...

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????????
 
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"They tell us that seniority is the big thing in the airlines...so getting there first is a big thing. You can spend 5 to 6 years out there flying freight, towing and instructing to get enough hours to be competitive... or you can spend the $$$ to get it done in 2 to 3 years... the choice is yours"

and now....

"I don't need to race your friend... and that is not the purpose of the discussion is it?"

Sorry for the confusion. Your first post seems to indicate that it IS a race....that DCA can offer you a faster track. I am simply trying to refute your argument that DCA will get you there faster than part 61/freight. I don't think it will and I'm using my friend as an example.

I'll admit that the jury is still out since my friend hasn't made it to a regional yet. You say it's gonna be three years for you. I'll wait until my friend gets on at a regional and we'll see how long it took him. It's only fair to assume he could have had his private and instrument in six months had it not been for college. That puts him on track for 3 years to a regional if he gets hired at a regional before the end of next year....I'd bet money on that one.

I have no idea how much money he's spent, nor how much you've spent. I probably don't want to know.....

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Ok let's summarize and balace what we know:

I said that at DCA you spend more $$$ thatn at an FBO in exchange to a faster track to a top regional airline. 2.5 to 3 years at DCA and 1000 hours will get you there.

At the FBO you will spend perhaps half the $$$ and get your ratings after 5 to 6 years, which is your friends case. The idea that college has slowed him down don't seem to be the 100% of the cause of delay. Most likely he had to slow down because he had to pay out of his own pocket.

After those years he is a candidate for a part 135 job, which is great for experience and time building and probably fun as hell. But as a ASA Captain has told us, they don't care about any of that. They want to see the kind of experience you have and how many times you have been trown out of your confort zone. So 500 hours multi time in the same aircraft flying the same routes and shooting the same approaches don't mean much. And after 1700 tt and 500 multi.... he still doesn't compete with people trying to get jobs at the Delta Connection System.

So in one hand you can spend around 60K and get to a 121 Regional in 3 years. OR

Spend around 30K at and FBO and then another 2 or 3 years hitting the grass strips (to get the 2500 to 3000 hours to be eligible to the SAME job) plus the 3 to 4 years that takes to get your licenses paying as you go.

It is still faster at DCA.
 
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ummm the last time i checked you can still take out a loan to train at an FBO too.

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montanna, i was unable to find anything like that when i looked a few years back. that was one of the deciding factors in me attending DCA. perhaps post some info about those types of loans here so others that are still undecided can have the info...
 
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