DC8 Video, funny in a way, sad in a way....

Caneman,

You mentioned that you saw flying as a job, not a hobby. Was this always the case. Is this the view of most propilots? Because I've dreamed about being a pilot as long as I can remember. I'm going to get my license and then see what happens. But did you ever view any of your flying jobs with a passion?

p.s gook luck with your new area of profession.

Cheers

Tristan
 
Tristan said:
Caneman,

You mentioned that you saw flying as a job, not a hobby. Was this always the case. Is this the view of most propilots? Because I've dreamed about being a pilot as long as I can remember. I'm going to get my license and then see what happens. But did you ever view any of your flying jobs with a passion?

p.s gook luck with your new area of profession.

Cheers

Tristan
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Trustan, Flying still is FUN, and I have passion, but after 25 years of it and being laid off from "Emery" the best job many of us would have in aviation, I have an attitude. Most of the non scheduled freight airlines want you to work 20+days a month for very little cash for what the job is. I am a Professional. Thats what I mean, it's not a hobby. How much do you pay your doctors, lawyers, CPA? Well, I fell that a Professional Captain as I am with 14,000 hours in a heavy jet should be paid Very Well...$150,000 a year. I dont think I should work my a$$ off for 20+ days with ALL the Responsibility and barely have enought cash just to pay rent, have a crappy car, and some food. Like for $60,000, Im laughing, well crying is more like it. At my age thats my opinion. For younger guys, that might be great. But for me thats a 50% pay cut and double the days of work so its really a 75% pay cut. Glad I can say, been there done that. Hope that helps you out. Keep Um Flying..

www.caneman.tv
 
Caneman thanks for your reply.

From my perspective $60,000 per annum for flying jets around the world would be a dream come true. Can you believe I actually pay quite a bit of money for cockpit DVDs, Polar Air Cargo, Virgin Atlantic..I've gottem all. I think I've watched my Polar dvd like 100 times now..I would just love to fly cargo ops into destinations like Tokyo, Hong Kong, but I wont rave on telling you my problems:) But I can understand you not wanting to fly for less then half your previous salary and double the hours. I think I tend to romanticize things I'm passionate about. I'm still going to give my whole pilot thing a shot, if doesn't work out I will be happy that I tried.

Cheers

Tristan
 
Tristan. With all due respect. When you get to the point where you ARE the guy on the DVD instead of the guy watching the DVD, you deserve to be well compensated. 60K a year isn't really all that great for someone who's worked their way into a job as a PIC on a heavy.
 
Here here DE727,
My father flew from the age of 16 to around 62 years of age. He flew when jets first came online, took crappy routes to get the experience in jets so he would be able to be based back at LAX. He paid his dues in civil and military aviation and was compensated at a rate equal to his level of experience and ratings. I don't know for sure, but I am fairly certain that at the height of his career he made close to 250k/yr. The only vice he had, if you can call it that, was aviation. Spent much of his money on his personal aircraft, hangars and tiedowns. None of that would have been possible on 60k/yr. If he had been told that he would be making that amount he probably would have stayed in the military full time or gone corporate.
60K for a senior capt, heavy, with a lot of time is NOT adequate pay.

Thanks for the insight Caneman and DE727.
 
UPS-

Yeah I guess because I'm 24 and been living as a poor arse student for...well as long as I can remember, US60k (converted into aussie dollar) sounds pretty good. But I totally agree that $60 is peanuts for a PIC of a heavy. If Qantas pilots were given that salary tomorrow, I'm sure a massive strike would follow.

I just graduated from uni finishing up with masters, studying at uni for 6 years all up. I think different things motivate people, and to be honest making a 6 figure salary isn't my number one ambition. Given the above factors combined with my passion for flying, you can see where I'm coming from. But who knows, I may think differently in the future.

Btw does UPS fly to Australia?

Tristan
 
eta71 said:
Spent much of his money on his personal aircraft, hangars and tiedowns. None of that would have been possible on 60k/yr. If he had been told that he would be making that amount he probably would have stayed in the military full time or gone corporate.
60K for a senior capt, heavy, with a lot of time is NOT adequate pay.
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Well definately not adequate funds to support your own personal aircraft and hangers.
 
DC8Jetdog73 said:
Trustan, Flying still is FUN, and I have passion, but after 25 years of it and being laid off from "Emery" the best job many of us would have in aviation, I have an attitude. Most of the non scheduled freight airlines want you to work 20+days a month for very little cash for what the job is. I am a Professional. Thats what I mean, it's not a hobby. How much do you pay your doctors, lawyers, CPA? Well, I fell that a Professional Captain as I am with 14,000 hours in a heavy jet should be paid Very Well...$150,000 a year. I dont think I should work my a$$ off for 20+ days with ALL the Responsibility and barely have enought cash just to pay rent, have a crappy car, and some food. Like for $60,000, Im laughing, well crying is more like it. At my age thats my opinion. For younger guys, that might be great. But for me thats a 50% pay cut and double the days of work so its really a 75% pay cut. Glad I can say, been there done that. Hope that helps you out. Keep Um Flying..

www.caneman.tv
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Good attitude Caneman. It is good that you feel pilots are getting paid enough, and is willing to not take the job to send a message to management. Sadly, it seems like more and more experienced pilots such as you are leaving the industry and younger ones with less experience are replacing them.

Sorry for anything I said about your videos. You seem to be very different in real life then you are in your videos. :)
 
Thanks Guys...Hey I got a gig in a show, so I'll be gone for a while. I'll check in from the road. This is gonna be fun. And there will be a lot of new flying videos soon. Thank you ALL for your support and comments. Pilots are the best friends I've had in my entire life. Glad to be part of this board.

Sincerely,
Caneman
www.caneman.tv
 
Caneman all the good luck to you, for me at least is an honor to have someone this experienced to talk to. I appreciate your presence on this board.
Tristan as far as UPS flying into Australia yes they do, UPS flies into SYD with their 747s, MD 11s and also 767s if I am not wrong. Feel free to correct me guys.
 
DC8Jetdog73 said:
Thanks Guys...Hey I got a gig in a show, so I'll be gone for a while. I'll check in from the road. This is gonna be fun. And there will be a lot of new flying videos soon. Thank you ALL for your support and comments. Pilots are the best friends I've had in my entire life. Glad to be part of this board.

Sincerely,
Caneman
www.caneman.tv
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caneman, you rule!!! good luck man.
btw...my buddy(wash center atc'er) and I were laughing our a$$es off at the caneman tv informercial last night. let us know when that show you are in airs.
 
Just want to stop by and say hello. Im working on a show, can't say more right now. Im doing well, and will have some funny videos up soon. Found someother DC8 footage that I need to edit.

Sincerely,
Caneman
www.caneman.tv
 
Caneman

How do you know thats really caneman. It could be some imposter posing as the Cane. Yes he states about EWA and UPS . Anyone can look that up on the internet. And the hours that he has way exceeds minumums from other carriers. If it is really the real Cane then God Bless You. Good luck.
 
Sorry if some of this was addressed earlier, only read the first page.

A lot of guys wear gloves because of sweaty hands, the yoke on the DC8 is fairly smooth and easy to loose a grip on. The sink rate thing, it happens, especially if you are heavy and have any kind of a tailwind, a 1000 fpm decent within 500 AGL will set it off, that only requires a 165 knot groundspeed on a 3 degree slope, it happens, it was corrected for immediately, no biggie.

Flaring with both hands, the elevator on the DC8 is not hydraulic in any way, pure man power (tim allen grunt here) so if to go from 1 or 2 degrees nose down on the approach to 7 to 8 degrees nose up, the thing can be heavy, and you want to be careful about overtrimming aft. It's a balancing act.
 
I thought I saw Caneman on the new Simon Cowell produced show "American Inventor" tonight. Was that you Caneman? Did the judges shoot you down?
 
hello. I'm on my pda on the road so I will keep this short. the guy above talking about the dc8 is 100% correct. and yes I was on american inventor. when I get on a computer I will post all the info. I'm in panama city florida shooting canemans spring break panama city. new videos will be up in a few weeks when I get home. thanks for all the support. all you guys are great. take care.

caneman
www.caneman.tv
 
Hey Caneman!
Dude let us know when you're going to be doing any shows in the SoCal area, I've got a whole bunch of people that want to come. Keep up the good work man!!

Oh yeah, nice flying gloves... at least I'm not the only one that wears them.
 
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