Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
So, what's the alternative?
Throw your arms up and rant? Or, continue to work the system as it's designed.
(Which, BTW, is how it worked when the guy "lost" the election, as you say)
Daughter of the Texas plane crash Pilot says...
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So, what's the alternative?
Throw your arms up and rant? Or, continue to work the system as it's designed.
(Which, BTW, is how it worked when the guy "lost" the election, as you say)
cmill
Cold Ass Honky
What good does it do to continue working a flawed system. I wont get into what happened in florida. But with all the talk of psychos, Katherine Harris fits the definition.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
The system isn't cast in stone. In America we get to have a revolution every time we have the ballot box when we want to change things.
Again, what is the alternative? Do nothing? Start a revolution?
It's easy to sit back and bitch about the system being broken, or complain about how "the man" is getting you down. The tough thing to do is to be engaged and *do* something about it. Take responsibility for being a citizen, don't just passively sit back and rage at the machine. That is what you -- and EVERYONE -- should do.
In the "instant gratification" age, we seem to have lost sight of the fact that things take time to fix. Real change doesn't happen overnight, or even in a year. A decade...maybe.
inigo88
Composite-lover
The definition of terrorism I most agreed with after searching was the following:
"The deliberate commission of an act of violence to create an emotional response through the suffering of the victims in the furtherance of a political or social agenda."
The Merriam-Webster Legal dictionary says:
"The unlawful use or threat of violence, esp[ecially] against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion."
Neither of these make any mention of the victims having to be everybody, nor that the acts have to be indiscriminate.
I see where you're coming from, but this guy martyred himself in an act of violence against 'the state' to further his political agenda.
By definition, he IS a terrorist.
Joe Gremlin
Well-Known Member
Am I ranting? Do you ever hear me complaining about politics? I was responding to the people are too lazy to vote comment. I'm not too lazy, I just lost my faith in the ability of my vote to represent my voice. And no, it wasn't just that one election that did it. I don't knock anyone who thinks their vote can still make a difference. But I've given up on the idea and no longer see the point in it.
JoelT
Well-Known Member
Touche! :rotfl:
Not really. Whether he's a terrorist or not, the one thing we can agree on is that he's an idiot, and that he was stupid to do what he did.
He only wins if we acknowledge his problems by instituting the change he wanted ("we should change the tax code because it drove this guy to fly an airplane into a building").
ppragman
No pasa nada.
Bingo.
pullup
Homewrecker
Low&Slow
Ancora imparo
I don't think he was an idiot. He was very frustrated, emotionally upset, and in a situation that he felt was completely hopeless and helpless. Not uncommon in people that commit suicide. I think too many Americans turn a blind eye much too often which promotes the decay of the freedoms we take for granted.
People shouldn't fear the government; the government should fear the people.
"When the government fears the people, there is liberty.
When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
- Thomas Jefferson
"I cannot accept your canon that we are to judge Pope and King unlike other men with a favourable presumption that they did no wrong. If there is any presumption, it is the other way, against the holders of power, increasing as the power increases. Historic responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility.Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or certainty of corruption by full authority. There is no worse heresy than the fact that the office sanctifies the holder of it."
- Lord Acton
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin
People shouldn't fear the government; the government should fear the people.
"When the government fears the people, there is liberty.
When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
- Thomas Jefferson
"I cannot accept your canon that we are to judge Pope and King unlike other men with a favourable presumption that they did no wrong. If there is any presumption, it is the other way, against the holders of power, increasing as the power increases. Historic responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility.Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or certainty of corruption by full authority. There is no worse heresy than the fact that the office sanctifies the holder of it."
- Lord Acton
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin
tonyw
Well-Known Member
Know what cracks me up?
The people who are the ones who say the government is out to get them are often the same ones who say that the government can't do anything right.
So, they're afraid of an entity that they say can't do anything right? What does that say about them?
esa17
Well-Known Member
I don't really see a point to being scared of the government. Truthfully if "they" wanted to get me they could. There is no sense worrying about something totally out of my control. The thing is, the government has bigger fish to fry than a little punk from Texas.
On the other hand, I am scared of the majority of our population should something bad ever happen.
On the other hand, I am scared of the majority of our population should something bad ever happen.
jasoN534ER
Well-Known Member
I have on good authority that "we" didn't drop the bomb...it was actually WHALE AND DOLPHIN! OMG!
That is fake, actually. It was photoshopped.
The real bombers were a chicken and a cow.
jasoN534ER
Well-Known Member
Nobody 'won' anything.
There should always be discussion, instead of just hearing what CNN has to say, believing it all word-for-word, and moving on. Sorry if any of you didn't know this, but the news is rarely ever factual or non-biased, and that is a big problem. When this story broke, instead of having any discussion about what the guy had to say, and how he felt the system screwed him (like a lot of other americans over the years) they were on a countdown to the Tiger Woods apology speech -- something NOBODY should even care about. What people should care about is this story, whether you think the guy was right or wrong, you can be guaranteed that he probably isn't the only person who feels/felt that way, and when someone is passionate about something to the point where they are going to take their own life to try to get some sort of point across, it should at least be talked about.
poser765
Well-Known Member
You realize that describes like 3/4 of the united states population. Most of them aren't flying planes into people. This is NOT the event to wake us up to the dangers of our government. This is an event to mercilessly ridicule that ass hole who killed someone because of their own selfishness
poser765
Well-Known Member
I really don't care what he had to say. I don't care what his problems are, or if they are shared by others. I am not living in paradise myself and have plenty of my own problems that can be overwhelming at times. At no point have I ever thought of making a statement by taking my life AND THE LIFE OF ANOTHER PERSON! I would really much rather hear about tigers woods sexcapades. I'm not going to martyr him.
jasoN534ER
Well-Known Member
I would just expect the news to go with the more important story, and TMZ to go with the sex gossip/celebrity private life nonsense.
You may want to care if a lot of people share the problems of this guy. I know if I have to visit any IRS building in the future, I'm getting in and out as quickly as possible since other people who might share this guy's mental state could be on their way to whatever floor I am on. And they're not coming by means of an elevator or stairs, either...
poser765
Well-Known Member
All I am trying to say is I would be a lot more perceptive to someones point when they make it in a way that doesn't kill people.