Is anyone else disturbed by the lack of coverage of this accident in the media? I couldn't find anything on CNN or Yahoo. Maybe they're not the most reputable sources, but I'd at least expect a mention of it. Obviously if pax were aboard the coverage would be much greater (and more dramatic).
CRJ crash in Missouri
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Is anyone else disturbed by the lack of coverage of this accident in the media? I couldn't find anything on CNN or Yahoo. Maybe they're not the most reputable sources, but I'd at least expect a mention of it. Obviously if pax were aboard the coverage would be much greater (and more dramatic).
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The media has a weird rule about body count.
When FDX dropped a plane in EWR, you heard nothing. But if any airline harms a single passenger, it's plastered throughout the headlines.
Pilots don't count in the popular media. But if one passenger gets injured, it's going to be a docudrama.
Is anyone else disturbed by the lack of coverage of this accident in the media? I couldn't find anything on CNN or Yahoo. Maybe they're not the most reputable sources, but I'd at least expect a mention of it. Obviously if pax were aboard the coverage would be much greater (and more dramatic).
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The media has a weird rule about body count.
When FDX dropped a plane in EWR, you heard nothing. But if any airline harms a single passenger, it's plastered throughout the headlines.
Pilots don't count in the popular media. But if one passenger gets injured, it's going to be a docudrama.
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I flew with Jesse last week... Very professional, funny, and loveable guy. We had a blast.. So sad.
Please be keeping the families in your thoughts and prayers.
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I'm very sorry. Very few things are worse than having co-workers lost.
Sorry to say I can relate.
Many thoughts to the family & friends.
I flew with Jesse last week... Very professional, funny, and loveable guy. We had a blast.. So sad.
Please be keeping the families in your thoughts and prayers.
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I'm very sorry. Very few things are worse than having co-workers lost.
Sorry to say I can relate.
Many thoughts to the family & friends.
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The media has a weird rule about body count.
When FDX dropped a plane in EWR, you heard nothing. But if any airline harms a single passenger, it's plastered throughout the headlines.
Pilots don't count in the popular media. But if one passenger gets injured, it's going to be a docudrama.
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How very, sadly true!
The media has a weird rule about body count.
When FDX dropped a plane in EWR, you heard nothing. But if any airline harms a single passenger, it's plastered throughout the headlines.
Pilots don't count in the popular media. But if one passenger gets injured, it's going to be a docudrama.
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How very, sadly true!
Seriously. I've been looking at wreckage all day and it almost seems like the #1 engine "let go" and impacted the empennage of the aircraft, maybe demolishing the horizontal stab.
Now if that jet was packed with 50 people, it'd be all over the headlines.
But since it was two overpaid, pretty boy pilots (in the eyes of the media, not I), it's almost secondary to some new political poll.
Now if that jet was packed with 50 people, it'd be all over the headlines.
But since it was two overpaid, pretty boy pilots (in the eyes of the media, not I), it's almost secondary to some new political poll.
Alchemy
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The article has some tech tidbits, but FL 410 seems a bit high for a CRJ, doesn't it? Even if it was empty....
And it's curious that a bleed air problem could ultimately lead to an engine failure.
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Plane in Jefferson City crash had mechanical problems earlier
08:45 PM CDT on Friday, October 15, 2004
By DAVID A. LIEB, Associated Press Writer
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. — A plane that plunged to a fatal crash after both of its jet engines failed had aborted a scheduled takeoff earlier in the day because of an apparent problem with a mechanical system that distributes engine heat throughout the plane.
Federal investigators said Friday evening that the regional jet affiliated with Northwest Airlines had aborted a scheduled flight Thursday from Little Rock, Ark., after an indicator light went on for its bleed-air system.
After undergoing maintenance, the 50-seat Pinnacle Airlines plane was being flown without passengers to Minneapolis when its engines failed and it crashed late Thursday night into a residential area in Missouri's capital city, killing the two pilots. No residents were hurt.
The plane reached 41,000 feet before it went into an aerodynamic stall and lost power from one engine. At 13,000 feet, the second engine quit working. The last contact that air traffic controllers had with the plane was at 9,000 feet when a pilot reported an airport beacon in sight, Carmody said.
The crash site is about two miles from the Jefferson City airport.
Pinnacle Airlines, based in Memphis, Tenn., identified the two deceased pilots as Capt. Jesse Rhodes and First Officer Peter Cesarz but did not release their ages or hometowns. Carmody said earlier Friday that the pilots' bodies had not been recovered, but by looking at the cockpit there's "no doubt" the pilots died.
The plane, bought new by Pinnacle in May 2000, had flown 10,161 hours and had no major problems in inspections required by the Federal Aviation Administration, Pinnacle said.
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And it's curious that a bleed air problem could ultimately lead to an engine failure.
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Plane in Jefferson City crash had mechanical problems earlier
08:45 PM CDT on Friday, October 15, 2004
By DAVID A. LIEB, Associated Press Writer
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. — A plane that plunged to a fatal crash after both of its jet engines failed had aborted a scheduled takeoff earlier in the day because of an apparent problem with a mechanical system that distributes engine heat throughout the plane.
Federal investigators said Friday evening that the regional jet affiliated with Northwest Airlines had aborted a scheduled flight Thursday from Little Rock, Ark., after an indicator light went on for its bleed-air system.
After undergoing maintenance, the 50-seat Pinnacle Airlines plane was being flown without passengers to Minneapolis when its engines failed and it crashed late Thursday night into a residential area in Missouri's capital city, killing the two pilots. No residents were hurt.
The plane reached 41,000 feet before it went into an aerodynamic stall and lost power from one engine. At 13,000 feet, the second engine quit working. The last contact that air traffic controllers had with the plane was at 9,000 feet when a pilot reported an airport beacon in sight, Carmody said.
The crash site is about two miles from the Jefferson City airport.
Pinnacle Airlines, based in Memphis, Tenn., identified the two deceased pilots as Capt. Jesse Rhodes and First Officer Peter Cesarz but did not release their ages or hometowns. Carmody said earlier Friday that the pilots' bodies had not been recovered, but by looking at the cockpit there's "no doubt" the pilots died.
The plane, bought new by Pinnacle in May 2000, had flown 10,161 hours and had no major problems in inspections required by the Federal Aviation Administration, Pinnacle said.
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Ouch.
I will say at a different employer, we had a 'bleed air' problem where the company wanted us to ferry the aircraft back to a maintenance base because it was an 'annunciator problem'.
Luckily, my captain was apprehensious along with myself and pressed the issue, and it turned out that the annunciator worked just fine and that there was some damage from the hot bleed air in the wing area that resulted in the aircraft being nonflyable for a few days.
Not monday morning-quarterbacking over a smoking hole, just forwarding some experience.
I will say at a different employer, we had a 'bleed air' problem where the company wanted us to ferry the aircraft back to a maintenance base because it was an 'annunciator problem'.
Luckily, my captain was apprehensious along with myself and pressed the issue, and it turned out that the annunciator worked just fine and that there was some damage from the hot bleed air in the wing area that resulted in the aircraft being nonflyable for a few days.
Not monday morning-quarterbacking over a smoking hole, just forwarding some experience.
Mr_Creepy
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I'm glad the NON CRJ TYPES finally deferred to us that know the plane. That pic is definitely of the aft equipment bay, with an upside down APU firebox.
They told us that firebox would survive just about anything, and I guess it did.
Very sorry to hear about the loss of two pilots.
I'm actually surprised at how much of the hull is intact. Usually a crash like this will disintegrate the hull.
They told us that firebox would survive just about anything, and I guess it did.
Very sorry to hear about the loss of two pilots.
I'm actually surprised at how much of the hull is intact. Usually a crash like this will disintegrate the hull.
mtsu_av8er
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The plane reached 41,000 feet before it went into an aerodynamic stall and lost power from one engine. At 13,000 feet, the second engine quit working. The last contact that air traffic controllers had with the plane was at 9,000 feet when a pilot reported an airport beacon in sight, Carmody said.
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So, did it lose power, or did it stall?
I hate that....
The plane reached 41,000 feet before it went into an aerodynamic stall and lost power from one engine. At 13,000 feet, the second engine quit working. The last contact that air traffic controllers had with the plane was at 9,000 feet when a pilot reported an airport beacon in sight, Carmody said.
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So, did it lose power, or did it stall?
I hate that....
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I'm glad the NON CRJ TYPES finally deferred to us that know the plane.
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Huh? What do you mean "finally"? That was your first post in the thread, John. Puzzling....
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Several of the posters in this thread have CRJ experience - I personally have flown Bombardier products my entire professional life(exclusive of 1 year) - Challenger 600, 601, 604, and CRJ - that's probably what he was alluding to.
FL410 is a little high for a CRJ but not "abnormal" - that's the maximum certified altitude but realistically with pax it won't go that high. Empty airplane shouldn't be much of a problem especially on a long flight. The mantra of every jet pilot is "Get as high as you can, as fast as you can, and stay there as long as you can."
Jason
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I'm glad the NON CRJ TYPES finally deferred to us that know the plane.
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Huh? What do you mean "finally"? That was your first post in the thread, John. Puzzling....
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Several of the posters in this thread have CRJ experience - I personally have flown Bombardier products my entire professional life(exclusive of 1 year) - Challenger 600, 601, 604, and CRJ - that's probably what he was alluding to.
FL410 is a little high for a CRJ but not "abnormal" - that's the maximum certified altitude but realistically with pax it won't go that high. Empty airplane shouldn't be much of a problem especially on a long flight. The mantra of every jet pilot is "Get as high as you can, as fast as you can, and stay there as long as you can."
Jason
av8trxx
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I flew with Jesse last week... Very professional, funny, and loveable guy. We had a blast.. So sad.
Please be keeping the families in your thoughts and prayers.
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Absolutely. I read on flightinfo that the Capt and his wife were expecting their 3rd child in Dec. How sad....
I flew with Jesse last week... Very professional, funny, and loveable guy. We had a blast.. So sad.
Please be keeping the families in your thoughts and prayers.
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Absolutely. I read on flightinfo that the Capt and his wife were expecting their 3rd child in Dec. How sad....
Screaming_Emu
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Does anybody know what might have happened? Its so sad
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plane crashed
Does anybody know what might have happened? Its so sad
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plane crashed
WillNotFly4Food
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Very disheartening. This is the first fatal accident of the CJR-200 isn't it?
N9103M
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I flew with Jesse when he was a captain at another regional, and I saw him often in the halls of DTW back when I was at Pinnacle. A great man, and great pilot. He will be missed.
I also knew Peter from flight school, another class act that will sorley be missed.
And before anyone even gives it a shot, lets hold off on any speculation on the cause of the crash. All we have been presented with is sketchy information at best, so lets leave this to the professionals at the NTSB to debate.
I also knew Peter from flight school, another class act that will sorley be missed.
And before anyone even gives it a shot, lets hold off on any speculation on the cause of the crash. All we have been presented with is sketchy information at best, so lets leave this to the professionals at the NTSB to debate.