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SoCalAprch said:
he said he agreed but he didn't make em just enforced em.
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Remember this when dealing with the TSA 'idiots' (hopefully for not much longer). Its the guys with 4 stripes (on their epaulets 3 below the TSA letters and one above), and the suits that have any authority at an airport.
 
The guy who said that wasn't a bad guy, he was one of the better ones that I have dealt with. Its the inconsistency of being able to go through ops at one airport and getting gate raped at another because you had a pack of gum in your shirt pocket that kept setting off the detector. "Only 2 tries sir come this way." :banghead:

Someone in the know. Why do they let us walk through ops at some airports and not at others? Is there some sort of level of airports or is it just a crap shoot?
 
Inconsistant and randomly changing security procedures are a staple of confusion tactics in counter-terrorism. If those who would do wicked things don't know what to expect on a given day at an airport then they can hardly prepare for it.
 
Mostly a crap shoot. If its logistically feasible, and the airport authority, the local TSA suits say it can happen, and the station managers can get together with the AA and the TSA and make up a plan there is a good chance of it being allowed. Otherwise not a chance.
 
SoCalAprch said:
I understand that terrorists probably don't want anything to do with TOL or these small town airports but after we all walk through OPs our whole crew and every other one that went through ops that day now has access to every other airport they are flying to with absolutely no screening.
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Not true. Remember, Mohammad Atta entered the US Transportation System i PWM on 9/11/01.

There's a provision that allows crews to bypass, but I won't discuss it on an open forum. Check your carrier's AOSSP for more details.
 
ERfly said:
Not true. Remember, Mohammad Atta entered the US Transportation System i PWM on 9/11/01.
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He did also get screened again in BOS. Mind you he carried nothing that as illegal at the time. He could have cleared anywhere.

PWM also does not let crews bypass, nor gate agents, or anyone for that matter. The airport authority doesn't allow it. At least that was the case fall of 06 when I was TDY down there helping Delta get rid of their gate agents.
 
RightSeatGirl said:
Inconsistant and randomly changing security procedures are a staple of confusion tactics in counter-terrorism. If those who would do wicked things don't know what to expect on a given day at an airport then they can hardly prepare for it.
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Eh, I'd buy that argument if the inconsistancy was consistant. It's not. It varies from airport to airport, but those specific airports don't vary. For example, you might go through screening in DAL and have to take your shoes off, but when changing terminals in HOU you don't. Next time you go back through.....same thing. Now, if it were SOMETIMES you do and sometimes you don't at BOTH airports, then I'd say TSA is trying to throw off "those who would do wicked things." In this case, I think it's just an example of Bureaucracy Gone Wild.

I was under the impression that one of the reasons the TSA was implemented over independent security contractors was consistency. Otherwise why not just have individual contractors with government oversight? That's essentially what we have now with each TSA airport manager having their own little fiefdom. Only difference is it costs us more in tax dollars this way.
 
Heck, could you imagine the joy if the TSA minions said "Oh no guys. . .don't worry about taking your shoes off today. It's the 1st (or 15th) and we are damn happy we got paid, so keep those shoes on and enjoy your air travel today!"

Oh how it'd be nice to live in America, The United States Of again.
 
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