cost of training
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charlie1017
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JaceTheAce
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There is NO such thing as a package price. All flight schools will undercut/underquote you to lure you into their program. It's a normal business practice in the flight school industry and you must be aware of it. There's no telling how long it'll take you to finish each certificate/rating. Look at the per hour cost of the airplane and instructor.
charlie1017
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Oh and a big question: is the training done under part 61 or part 141?
SJM
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charlie1017
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:yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat::yeahthat:
Jace said it! The quotes also assume the best case scenario that you breeze through the lessons and don't require additional instruction in any area...
charlie1017
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Good thing about 141 is that it is more structured and some X-C PIC requirements like for the IR are waived, which drives the cost down. Even then, and taking into account the fact that for the IR there's some sim time allowed, the PVT/IR prices seem a little in the low end. Best thing you can do is have a nice cash cushion in case you run over the amount of money quoted...
Good luck!
Diego Dangers.
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what school is this? got some information on it for me?
cfii2007
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Some schools will advertise a cost estimate based on FAA minimums. It will probably take you longer than that to achieve whatever rating you are pursuing.
Some schools on the other hand, will have guaranteed pricing, which means you'll get the training for the price quoted (all inclusive).
Some schools on the other hand, will have guaranteed pricing, which means you'll get the training for the price quoted (all inclusive).
Diego Dangers.
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thats what I am saying. hence why I wanted to know where this was at.
MikeOH58
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$5700 and $6900 are insane for your CFI, and the add on MEI. Even if the FSDO sends you out to a DPE and he charges you $1000 for the checkride, you're still paying at least $2,700 too much.
And I would seriously question the person telling you that you can do your PPL for $3,300. 2007 on the East Coast, i'd say that damn near impossible.
And I would seriously question the person telling you that you can do your PPL for $3,300. 2007 on the East Coast, i'd say that damn near impossible.
SJM
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I am reading directly out of the brochure here. The place is called Ace Pilot Training in Allentown, PA. LVI airport.
The certs are based on a set amount of hours, for example, for PPL:
20 hours dual
20 hours solo
ground as needed
price = 3500 / 3100 club
I went on a discovery flight there, and although the place and equipment seemed to be pretty decent at first glance, the guys there were very obviously salesmen. I can't really comment on much else as I am very much a n00b to avaition, and since I no longer live in PA, I can pretty much rule that place out.
The certs are based on a set amount of hours, for example, for PPL:
20 hours dual
20 hours solo
ground as needed
price = 3500 / 3100 club
I went on a discovery flight there, and although the place and equipment seemed to be pretty decent at first glance, the guys there were very obviously salesmen. I can't really comment on much else as I am very much a n00b to avaition, and since I no longer live in PA, I can pretty much rule that place out.
40 hours aircraft rental at $50 = $2000
40 hours Instructor at $35 = $1400 (20 hours in A/C and 20 hours Ground)
Total $3400 + plus books and supplies
Above is based on FAA minimums. This does not include FAA written, or practical tests. Also does not include club fees/dues.
Most of my students are getting done with 50-54 hours of flight time but the national average (AOPA) is 71 hours of flight time. This does not include ground time with an instructor. I usually spend about 20-30 hours of ground instruction with most students.
If this is the case
50 hours aircraft rental at $50 = $2500 (10 hours solo included)
60 hours instructor at $38 = $2200 (40 Dual and 20 Ground)
Total $4700
Plus - 350 PVT checkride, 80 Written, Club Fees???, Headset, books, and supplies
Should bring you close to $6000 - Not bad if you can do it in 50 hours but the national average is closer to 60-70 hours.
Nihon_Ni
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The last time I read the national averages from the AOPA, the private rating was taking about 70 hrs. If you find a school who says you can do it in 20 hrs of dual instruction and 20 hrs of solo, ask them if they will guarantee it. You will be able to tell by their reaction how much faith they have in their numbers.
I think I typically give pilots about 80-100 hrs of instruction (split between flight and ground) and they get about 10-15 hrs of solo.
Even so, the figures you quoted for the club seem pretty reasonable to me. The key to getting your money's worth from a flying club is regular activity. I'm a member of a club that charges $35 per month. As long as you fly a few times a month, it's a bargain. You can easily figure out the break even point. The figures you quoted indicate a $20 savings per hour in a C-152. How much is the monthly membership fee? Divide it by $20. If you plan to fly more than that each month, join the club. If not, pay the "higher" rental rate of $70/hr because it will save you money. Be conserative on the number of hours you think you will fly when you do your analysis. IMHO, while you are training is a perfect time to be in a flying club. After you finish training, you'll most likely find you don't fly as often.
The point of a flying club is to share expenses among active members. The monthly fee is an incentive for you to be active.
Hope this helps,
Rob
I think I typically give pilots about 80-100 hrs of instruction (split between flight and ground) and they get about 10-15 hrs of solo.
Even so, the figures you quoted for the club seem pretty reasonable to me. The key to getting your money's worth from a flying club is regular activity. I'm a member of a club that charges $35 per month. As long as you fly a few times a month, it's a bargain. You can easily figure out the break even point. The figures you quoted indicate a $20 savings per hour in a C-152. How much is the monthly membership fee? Divide it by $20. If you plan to fly more than that each month, join the club. If not, pay the "higher" rental rate of $70/hr because it will save you money. Be conserative on the number of hours you think you will fly when you do your analysis. IMHO, while you are training is a perfect time to be in a flying club. After you finish training, you'll most likely find you don't fly as often.
The point of a flying club is to share expenses among active members. The monthly fee is an incentive for you to be active.
Hope this helps,
Rob