Continental pilot dies in flight

Your signature says you have 1,200 TT. Would you really deny the help of a Part 91 Gulfstream/Challenger/Lear/King Air etc... pilot, who may have thousands, if not tens of thousands of more experience than you because of CASS?

I have about the same time and I would say yes I would deny them. Lets just say I know I can fly the 145 single pilot.:D
 
I've only ever used the tiller on the RJ. How similar is steering one plane to another? I'd be a little worried about trying to drive the thing around Newark once I landed.


I'm guessing the f/o was probably fairly senior (International 777 f/o) with a lot of time and experience under his belt. He probably had previous experience in the left seat of another jet either military or civi. As previously stated, a IRO would be typed in the 777 and would have had at least taxi training in the sim. I don't see it as a big deal. Once you get over the initial sensation of "Wow, this things big!" it fairly easy to taxi.:p
 
I hope for our sake the f/o's are able to taxi cause it'll contribute to that misconception if they need to be towed off the runway.

Its not that tough. Even if he landed from the right seat, he could have bounced over to the left seat for the taxi. Tiller ops are pretty easy to learn. Besides, no one gets hired at a legacy without some Captain experience somewhere along the line. He's steered before.

Can't wait to hear the details, I wonder if he was over 60, that would bring that old age limitation question back into the game.

CNN is saying 61...but the way they report anything aviation related, who knows. I'm sure it'll ignite at least a little bit of debate on the age 65 rule.

That is not good for public perception if guys older than 60 are just keeling over at the controls.

Yeah, here we go. What's the difference between this and the CAL Captain who keeled over in South Texas last year. He was UNDER 60.

Perhaps they should just pull the licenses of anyone who upgrades at CAL.

I'm guessing the f/o was probably fairly senior (International 777 f/o) with a lot of time and experience under his belt. He probably had previous experience in the left seat of another jet either military or civi.

Not necessarily. Ask Doug. My cousin's hubby is a DAL 767 JFK F/O. His first assignment on the property. That said, the F/O and the IRO were fully qualified to assume command of this flight. IROs are Capt. qualified at most airlines. So they just pulled the corpse out of the seat and the IRO took over. Talk about a non-event.
 
Your signature says you have 1,200 TT. Would you really deny the help of a Part 91 Gulfstream/Challenger/Lear/King Air etc... pilot, who may have thousands, if not tens of thousands of more experience than you because of CASS?

Not to veer too much off topic but a guy qualified in the airplane should be able to land it alone, yes even with 1200tt. If the by-default pic chooses to deny cockpit access to an unknown pax, well more power to him/her.
 
That's incorrect.

We had some FOs from RAH hired to legacies. Prior to RAH they were CFIs.
Here's something interesting. In the P-3 world, you only land from the left seat, unless you are AC qualified or an IP. So from day one, the kid in the left seat is steering the aircraft on the ground. Surprised the hell out of me here where Captains are only in the left seat.
 
FO are pilots and can fly (surprisingly...), I wouldn't even brief the pax. Don't see why it has to be an "emergency" landing.

121.397 Emergency and emergency evacuation duties.
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(a) Each certificate holder shall, for each type and model of airplane, assigned to each category of required crewmember, as appropriate, the necessary functions to be performed in an emergency or a situation requiring emergency evacuation. The certificate holder shall show those functions are realistic, can be practically accomplished, and will meet any reasonably anticipated emergency including the possible incapacitation of individual crewmembers or their inability to reach the passenger cabin because of shifting cargo in combination cargo-passenger airplanes.

(b) The certificate holder shall describe in its manual the functions of each category of required crewmembers under paragraph (a) of this section.
 
I'm pretty sure you didn't need captain time to go to COA. I've heard of fo's at expressjet without PIC time going to COA to become relief pilots on the 777.
 
Darn those relief pilots! What about all those hopeful flight-simmers in back who've waited their whole lives for just such an opportunity?

Kudos and condolences to the crew and the CAL family.
 
Continental, for one, was hiring regional FO's with no 121 or turbine PIC time. The 777 also had been going junior.
 
Continental also hired quite a few regionals FO's a short while back. It would suck to be furloughed from Continental with no PIC time to get a job anywhere else though. I hear that AMF hired a furloughed Continental FO who was only qualified enough to hold the chieftan.

My condolences to that the Captains family. It's tough to lose a loved one no whether they were doing something they loved or not. It doesn't make the grieving any easier.

With the exception of dealing with watching your co-worker pass away before their eyes, I don't believe the rest of the flight was an issue for the remaining flight crew.
 
Your signature says you have 1,200 TT. Would you really deny the help of a Part 91 Gulfstream/Challenger/Lear/King Air etc... pilot, who may have thousands, if not tens of thousands of more experience than you because of CASS?

I have no doubt they would be a great help to me up front. But without CASS I have no way to truly guarantee who they are. I'm about the last person to say something like "after 9/11". But after 9/11, I don't want anyone in the flight deck who hasn't been through a bunch of background checks.
 
Condolences to the family of the pilot. A damn shame to be so close to retirement and never be able to enjoy it.
Major tip of the cap to the flight and cabin crew. Passengers say they were professional in every way and they never has an inkling that anything was amiss. It's not easy to put on a happy and relaxed face for your pax when a colleague (friend) just died in your presence.
 
I have no doubt they would be a great help to me up front. But without CASS I have no way to truly guarantee who they are. I'm about the last person to say something like "after 9/11". But after 9/11, I don't want anyone in the flight deck who hasn't been through a bunch of background checks.

Great point.

Either crew member can handle the aircraft by themselves.
 
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