Continental, 1st major US Airline to order the 7E7

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So if Delta and Continental were to merge, what would happen? In what ways would the airline be merging. For example, Air France bought KLM, yet, the aircraft are still in KLM colors. What happens when airlines merge?
 
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So if Delta and Continental were to merge, what would happen?

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Simple... we'd have either Deltinental or Conta
 
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So if Delta and Continental were to merge, what would happen?

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Simple... we'd have either Deltinental or Conta

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lol
 
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Strangely, no one read behind the lines. If employees agree to concessions, CAL may order the 7E7...

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What's the source on that? That's not what I understand.

CAL seems to be making all the right moves at the right time. They have an advantage, they are pressing it.
 
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Doug is right ... notice that additional aircraft (7E7s, 757-300s, and 737-800s) are tied to approval of wage and benefit reductions by the end of February. While growth is certainly good news, this growth is also a bribe to convince employee groups there's good reason to vote for the pay cuts.

The Delta-Continental merger rumors have flown around the industry since 1997 at LEAST. I don't see it happening anytime soon, certainly not in the present financial climate.

Szluka, PG-13 airline names aside, CO already has DBN and SNN layovers ... you've just got to be on the 757/767 to take advantage!

Matthew, some correction is important to your notes on the CO fleet. They have a number of 757-200s, 757-300s, 767-200ERs, 767-400ERs, and 777s. The 752, 762, 764, and 777 all do transoceanic service, the 753 does not ... it does high-density domestic routes. (I see it frequently at MCO and FLL.) With the exception of the 757-200s, all of these airplanes have been delivered BRAND NEW to Continental since 1998, including the 762s. There isn't really a big fleet gap there, nor could any of their widebodies be referred to even charitably as "aging" ... hell, the oldest 777 was delivered October 1998 (ship 001, "Gordon M. Bethune") and the 767s all came later!

2009 is about the soonest CO could take delivery of the 7E7, since the airplane has yet to be built or certified! I don't know the certification schedule but I don't think the airplane will be ready for customer deliveries until at least 2008. They can't have them just start showing up in IAH tomorrow.

As for going overseas on the 757, of course a widebody would be preferable. However, CO has specially-configured 757s for transatlantic service with fewer seats and the BusinessFirst cabin installed. And CO is hardly the first/only airline to use the 757 across the oceans ... many airlines use them on west coast to Hawaii routes that are nearly as long as EWR to western Europe, TWA used to do lighter Europe routes on the 757, many airlines fly them on 6 hour flights to South America (Peru, etc.), etc. Icelandair's entire transatlantic fleet is the 757 and their service is reportedly excellent. Don't knock it until you've tried it.

And trust me, I've done long-haul in coach before ... 747, 757, 767, A340 ... all the same when you're shoehorned in to one of those tiny coach seats. In fact, the 747, the largest of all the airplanes in question, was probably the least comfortable in coach!
 
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What's wrong with ConiLingus?


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LOL ok Tony you got me on that one.

Good one
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Russ thanks for the correction....I knew CO had 767-400ER's but didn't know they were being used on transoceanic flights cept for IAH-HNL,LAX-HNL. I still maintain that a 767-777 would be preferable to a 757 to AMS.

Matthew
 
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Yeah, the 764 does lots of Europe, including AMS, for CO. Delta doesn't use the 764 to Europe, though. CO's 757 routes to Europe are smaller markets ... Oslo, Lisbon, Birmingham, Glasgow, places like that. The larger markets get larger airplanes. The only exception is that they do CLE-LGW on the 757.

And the width of the airplane doesn't matter much on long-haul. Much more important is the width of the chair relative to the width of your a$$ and the legroom in front of you. I'd rather fly in first/business on the 757 than coach on the 777 any day on a trip that long.
 
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The 76-4's at Delta are used for Hawaii flying. But the thing is horrifically underpowered, I've heard and apparently when you're heavy, you spend hours down at FL240 before you burn enough fuel to climb higher. But that's just what I've heard.
 
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...Wow the 767-400 sounds like a disapointment! Boeing.com says that the planes engine thrust output is 63,300 for the Pratts and 63,500 lbs. thrust for the GE's.
Is that underpowered? Or would thrust output of something like 70,000-78,000 be more sparing?

-Matthew
 
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I thought the 764s were purchased to replace the L1011 routes? I flew a 764 this past May from ATL to FLL. It was a nice plane and I don't seem to recall any lack of power on take off.
 
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I have yet to fly in a 764. But like two years ago in August when I visted the then Comair academy and was flying back home leaving MCO enroute CVG I was in a 767-300.
The pilot came on the intercom and reported that ATC was keeping us a FL240 until further notice. it was in August so it was storming so not sure if we were being held at 240 for weather or for weight. My guess weather.

-Matthew
 
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I thought the 764s were purchased to replace the L1011 routes? I flew a 764 this past May from ATL to FLL. It was a nice plane and I don't seem to recall any lack of power on take off.

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I think they might be because a few years back I flew a 764 from MCO ATL. But it is funny because I also flew a 764 from ATL LAX. So mabe you are right or you are wrong. I don't know.
 
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The 76-4's at Delta are used for Hawaii flying. But the thing is horrifically underpowered, I've heard and apparently when you're heavy, you spend hours down at FL240 before you burn enough fuel to climb higher. But that's just what I've heard.

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Used to fly the west coast red-eyes. All the Delta flights would be at 370 or 410 to catch winds except for the 767-400 flights would be at 270, 290, maybe 330 by MEM.

Not sure if they are under-powered or under-winged. Maybe both. But it is typical that the super stretch version of anything is usually a dog.
 
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But it is typical that the super stretch version of anything is usually a dog.

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Yep-another dog is the B739
 
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Not sure if they are under-powered or under-winged. Maybe both. But it is typical that the super stretch version of anything is usually a dog.

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Yep-another dog is the B739

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Underwinged....the 767-400ER has a larger winger span then any other 767. I thought the theory was the larger the wing=more/better lift. Please explain why you might think that the 764 is underwinged.

-Matthew
 
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Underwinged....the 767-400ER has a larger winger span then any other 767. I thought the theory was the larger the wing=more/better lift. Please explain why you might think that the 764 is underwinged.

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I'm aware that they stuck some more wing on the end. I don't know if it is under-winged or not. But it is under-somethinged because when it's loaded for a long leg it can go to about FL260 initially. And that's pitiful.

In my experience it's often the wing that limits cruise altitude. But not being a -400 pilot I don't know what the problem is.
 
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Yep-another dog is the B739

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Speaking of dogs, and going a bit off topic, tomorrow is the last day for the MD-80s in the CAL fleet......
 
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Yep-another dog is the B739

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Speaking of dogs, and going a bit off topic, tomorrow is the last day for the MD-80s in the CAL fleet......

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sniff....lets shed a tear!

Matthew
 
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