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mikecweb said:
None that I can think of. Unions are like insurance or lawyers. You can hate it until the day you need them.
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You seriously don't know anyone who whinges about the hand that feeds him? Hmm. I see it all the time. Not just pilots... Firefighters. Cops. Teachers. Tradesfolk. Why, I say, son, there's all kinds of self-made, god-fearin', truck-drivin', rootin'-tootin', foot-shootin', rugged individuals out there who sadly share the common evolutionary disadvantage of a complete lack of honest self-assessment. Yet, perhaps the actual number of such mendacious hypocrites is artificially magnified by their sheer audacity to appear greater than it really is. If so, we got that goin' for us... which is nice.
 
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mikecweb said:
When you coming back?
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I don't have me an edumacation!

The 91 allows me to do the real estate side of my life which might be growing into owning a brokerage by the end of the year. If that came crashing down then I might entertain going to a regional.
 
Damn, I looked over the Zillow listing, my pictures are the ones with the NWMLS tag in the bottom right. Those other ones are a bit of an embarrassment the current owners must have done something in the meantime to it.
 
av8tr1 said:
So my big concerns were the crew environment (I had some REALLY bad captains at a previous scheduled 135) and unions.

On the crew side I’m trying to figure out if my personality would fit in an airline crew. I am the sort that people either love or hate. And when they love me they really LOVE me. When they hate me they really HATE me.

At Seaport we had some really great captains who I LOVED to fly with. But then we had some guys who I dreaded going to fly with. Of the three I hated, it was a pretty much unanimous opinion company wide (so it wasn't just me) and since I was flying so little (I was also the company IT director) I pulled the short straw (at best I flew 30 hours a month at K5 most months was much less). But it was a hostile cockpit. All three are at two of the regionals I am talking with and it was bad enough I would not fly with at least two of them EVER.

What are my options for avoiding these types of captains?

How about bidding for schedules? In the past its really been what has been assigned. Other than the base I haven't had much of an option about routes and schedules. So how does the bidding process work at 1121?

Reserve? When you are on reserve is it sitting at the airport all day or home reserve? Is it a bit of both?

I’ll be making a different thread about unions, but basically I’ve been anti union previously but my eyes have been opened and I’m seeing the value.

I'm going to need a whole thread for the questions on unions and how they work. But as it relates to flying 121 as I understand it, you don't get union representation while you are in your probationary period but have to still pay dues. Then what exactly is it they do for you other than pay raises on occasion? What do they do for you individually? Or is it solely a group thing (Phrasing)?
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I don’t know anything about unions. I’m at SkyWest

I did see you had similar CRM experiences as I did in 135.

I’ll I’m going to say about that is: I’ve never flown with anyone I didn’t get along with at SkyWest. I haven’t made any lifelong buddies either.

So I basically went from the Love/Hate dynamic to professional overnight.

I’m not doing anything different that I did at 135. Magically I get along with everyone. No more drama at work. I get in the airplane do my job and go home. And I love it. One thing changed IMO. I work with professionals.






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BEEF SUPREME said:
I don’t know anything about unions. I’m at SkyWest

I did see you had similar CRM experiences as I did in 135.

I’ll I’m going to say about that is: I’ve never flown with anyone I didn’t get along with at SkyWest. I haven’t made any lifelong buddies either.

So I basically went from the Love/Hate dynamic to professional overnight.

I’m not doing anything different that I did at 135. Magically I get along with everyone. No more drama at work. I get in the airplane do my job and go home. And I love it. One thing changed IMO. I work with professionals.



This is why I can't wait to make the transition into the airline world. So much drama and BS at my current gig as a CFI it's unbelievable. I've worked a number of different jobs before I came into aviation, so I have some perspective on which I can compare this place to. But I honestly haven't experienced the level of BS at any other job outside of aviation like I have here. I don't really work for a flight school. I work for a corporate flight department that has a flight school. So I work for corporate pilots and I see how they operate and how things are done on a day to day basis.

I've run into other corporate pilots at other places who are similar to the people I work for. There seems to be no shortage of psychos in corporate aviation. I mean, I've never seen anything like it before in other jobs and industries. Every former CFI who I've talked to who is now at the airlines says the same thing as you: that's it's great to work with professionals. I love instructing, but hate the outfit I work for. There are days when I'd rather go back to work at the grocery store than work here, and that is no exaggeration. Sadly I was treated better at the grocery, way better lol. Before I came into aviation I never thought I'd be working under people who are as difficult as the ones I'm currently dealing with. It blows my mind of the things they do and get away with, especially with how they treat their pilots and CFI's. If they did half the crap they do outside of aviation they'd be fired in a heartbeat. My wife has a good relationship with her boss. She has told her boss about some of the things my boss does, and her boss flat out told her "if that EVER happened under my watch, that individual will lose their job immediately." I've had bad bosses in the past, but man, I've never had so much hatred towards my superiors like I do here.





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Screaming_Emu said:
Plus there are a lot of pilots that somehow think our industry is unique in our need for unions, just because that’s where they work.
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Union is like a very detailed prenup.
The contract is very specific as far as who does what when and who puts out and how often, but the love is lost in the process.
 
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