Complex and high performance question

granlistillo

granlistillo

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Just trying out how to log CRJ time.

1. Is a CRJ a complex? I would say no as it does not have a CS prop. Does anyone disagree, and have any evidence to the contrary.

2. High performance. Ok, 201 or greater HP on an engine. Obviously a CF34 has at least 10X that power, but it is rated in pounds of thrust. Hi-performance???

Thanks
 
granlistillo said:
Just trying out how to log CRJ time.

1. Is a CRJ a complex? I would say no as it does not have a CS prop. Does anyone disagree, and have any evidence to the contrary.

2. High performance. Ok, 201 or greater HP on an engine. Obviously a CF34 has at least 10X that power, but it is rated in pounds of thrust. Hi-performance???

Thanks
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any turbojet requires a typerating, which comes with the HP and complex lol
 
For jet time I log 2 things:

I have a specific column for type (CRJ) and a column for TURBINE.

You'll find those two itemizations far more useful in the future.

Most folks, now that you log jet time will want to know the following:

Total time
Turbine Time
Turbojet time (CRJ still counts even though it has fans)
SIC
Turbine PIC
 
What about on an ATR-72

When entering the new aircraft into a program like Logbook Pro would you check the boxs for high performance and complex? Or just simply turboprop and type.
 
chade7320 said:
What about on an ATR-72

When entering the new aircraft into a program like Logbook Pro would you check the boxs for high performance and complex? Or just simply turboprop and type.
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I'm old school, and keep a paper log. I wouldn't know how to answer that. I guess, technically you could log it that way. One would think though, that if you flew an ATR you'd meet those requirements. For example, if for some reason you lost your job, you'd probably look for a job flying say an ATR at Mountain Air Cargo. You show them your logbook with ATR time, they won't ask you about your complex/high perf time.

In the end, I think it's purely how you desire to log it. No real "Right" way.
 
chade7320 said:
What about on an ATR-72

When entering the new aircraft into a program like Logbook Pro would you check the boxs for high performance and complex? Or just simply turboprop and type.
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I think after flying an ATR, complex and HP is no longer an issue.

no airline is gonna say 'I see you have 1000 turbine time. what is your complex?'

:D
 
Why a dedicated column for CRJ? Turbine or jet I can see, but a specific type doesn't make sense to me.
 
aloft said:
Why a dedicated column for CRJ? Turbine or jet I can see, but a specific type doesn't make sense to me.
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I use it for accounting purposes. When I switch airplanes, I have a nice neat total. I have turbine time in 5 or 6 types, so turbine time doesn't match.

If I have time in type, broken to down to PIC and SIC, if I ever need to look for a job that requires 500 or 1000 PIC in type, I don't have to scramble to find it. So if you want to ask me how much ERJ or EJet time I have, I can hand it to you. When you fill out apps, it will save mucho research time as well.

Again, that's just my personal preference for recording time.
 
Schinpop said:
You are comparing apples to oranges. The CRJ requires a type rating since it's a jet.
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totally wrong. It requires a TR to act as PIC. The SIC TR, is a new thing and is an ICAO requirement to fly outside the US. You can log and act as SIC without a type rating in the US.

OK
I will log it as jet and Turbine in separate columns, but does anyone has know about HP and Complex. I am thinking GA insurance requirements here.
 
granlistillo said:
totally wrong. It requires a TR to act as PIC. The SIC TR, is a new thing and is an ICAO requirement to fly outside the US. You can log and act as SIC without a type rating in the US.

OK
I will log it as jet and Turbine in separate columns, but does anyone has know about HP and Complex. I am thinking GA insurance requirements here.
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If the insurance asks, just fold the turbine time into the the HP/Complex.
 
taseal said:
I think after flying an ATR, complex and HP is no longer an issue.

no airline is gonna say 'I see you have 1000 turbine time. what is your complex?'

:D
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So if you want to buy a bonanza, or rent one, or accept a GA flying job and you misrepresent your complex and HP hours will the insurance pay up???
Sometimes GA stuf doesnt mesh with airline stuff.

Polar742, thanks for the input. For professional purposes your suggestion seems right on.
 
granlistillo said:
So if you want to buy a bonanza, or rent one, or accept a GA flying job and you misrepresent your complex and HP hours will the insurance pay up???
Sometimes GA stuf doesnt mesh with airline stuff.

Polar742, thanks for the input. For professional purposes your suggestion seems right on.
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I didn't realize you were looking at it for that reason.

If it's solely for insurance purposes, I'd call them up and see how they want it done. I'd bet they have a matrix they use to cross-qualify. EAA and AOPA both have insurance divisions that you could call.

I'm interested what they'd tell you now, too...
 
Makes sense. Most insurance companies would probably accept that if you were up front about it. Hope I dont forget how to flow an approach less than 100 kts, like that thread the other day.
 
chade7320 said:
What about on an ATR-72

When entering the new aircraft into a program like Logbook Pro would you check the boxs for high performance and complex? Or just simply turboprop and type.
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I doubt it matters, but if you wanted to be difficult, you could log it as complex and HP by setting it up in the aircraft config menu. If you ever change your mind, you simply adjust the checkboxes.
 
Polar742 said:
If I have time in type, broken to down to PIC and SIC, if I ever need to look for a job that requires 500 or 1000 PIC in type, I don't have to scramble to find it. So if you want to ask me how much ERJ or EJet time I have, I can hand it to you. When you fill out apps, it will save mucho research time as well.
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thats what databases were made for

SELECT logbook.pic,logbook.sic FROM logbook,aircraft WHERE aircraft.name = 'ERJ' AND logbook.aircraft = aircraft.id;

:)
 
casey said:
thats what databases were made for

SELECT logbook.pic,logbook.sic FROM logbook,aircraft WHERE aircraft.name = 'ERJ' AND logbook.aircraft = aircraft.id;

:)
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Brother, that's for you computer guys. I love my glass airplanes, but I can't leave my paper logs. 17 years is a lot of time to convert. If you want, I'll let you do all the entries for free!!:rawk:
 
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