Complete comms failure last night

DE727UPS said:
Was a was an ATA at LA Tracon, back in the mid-80's for pete's sake, I remember we had a portable battery powered comm they would test out every so often. Seems like things have gone downhill since 85.....
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We still have those backups but they didn’t work either. This was a complete comms system failure
 
Minuteman said:
That is flippin’ nuts.

What dynamic exists in the organization that someone responsible for the New York/Jersey facility has not been shoved through a small hole and replaced? If ATO can’t fix the equipment they should at least try fixing the officers.
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Screw up, Move up. Its been the FAA way as long as ive been in the agency. Ive seen people horrendous at management, just get shuffled along and out of the way until they are literally working at the Air Traffic Command Center in DC.

Agencies completely broken IMO. With a union more focused on "Collaboration" with said idiotic management than fighting for the 6 day a week, 4 day off a month, Controller. It's really a shame.
 
NovemberEcho said:
We still have those backups but they didn’t work either. This was a complete comms system failure
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I imagine the portable backup radio line of sight performance from PHL TRACON to EWR is pretty lousy. 🤣 (Talking a handheld or desktop radio with an antenna on the roof vs a backup backhaul line to a remote transmitter site.)

Horray facility consolidation! Put the people 70 miles away they said. The radar and comms feeds will be reliable they said…
 
NovemberEcho said:
We haven’t lost freq’s but the comm system is doing the same constant glitching it did yesterday before they went out. Has been doing it all morning. Running big in trails to limit the planes on freq at any one time and whenever possible giving direct a fix on an approach asap so if it goes out no one is on a random vector. Doesn’t help we only had 3 people this morning
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I'm with @Minuteman on this. The person responsible for the boondoggle should be forced through a small hole, preferably at a high delta-P.
 
Where's Bruce Willis and the fire on the runway when you need him?

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Pilot Fighter said:
I’m sure management dropped the ball on testing the backup system. Does the NTSB jump in on this kinda thing or will it be an internal FAA thing?
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We test it at least weekly. This was something unusual, and apparently todays glitches were unrelated to yesterdays. It also affected N90 and ZNY apparently, not just us.
 
Check my memory: these outages were generally predicted by some controller as a consequence how a move and nearby construction were planned, right? And there is no reason to prefer a theory that a “nation-state actor” is disrupting service.
 
Minuteman said:
Check my memory: these outages were generally predicted by some controller as a consequence how a move and nearby construction were planned, right? And there is no reason to prefer a theory that a “nation-state actor” is disrupting service.
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Correct. It’s a slap-dash setup done for expediency rather than reliability and even though several of these failures popped up during their testing even a couple weeks before cut over (they never bothered to tell us until after it failed for real) they deemed it 99.7% reliable.
 
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