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youngflyer

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Hello,
Just curious if anyone had any ideas on where to do my commercial training? The multi engine/complex market in CNY is pretty crummy, so I am forced to look elsewhere. I hope to accomplish my commercial by doing the airwork in a non-complex single and landings in a twin so I come out with a commercial AMEL/ASEL from the same checkride. I am willing to go pretty much anywhere, as long as it has decent rates... I was looking at Dutch Wings, and have contacted them for more info...
Tim
 
youngflyer said:
Hello,
Just curious if anyone had any ideas on where to do my commercial training? The multi engine/complex market in CNY is pretty crummy, so I am forced to look elsewhere. I hope to accomplish my commercial by doing the airwork in a non-complex single and landings in a twin so I come out with a commercial AMEL/ASEL from the same checkride. I am willing to go pretty much anywhere, as long as it has decent rates... I was looking at Dutch Wings, and have contacted them for more info...
Tim
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Your not going to be able to combine 2 certificates into one. You could theoretically do both in the same day, but not at the same time.

If you do the ME initial you'll have to accomplish all of the commercial requirements in the twin which will get expensive.

If you do it in a single your going to have most of the requirements met already (5 hours IFR, solo long cross countries etc...) and then the ME add on would just a demonstration of proficiency.

BTW, I did my first solo x/c to CNY, what a great airport!

For what it's worth we've got 2 Seminoles for $233 and one just had an Aspen EFD1000 (PFD) and a Garmin 430 installed here in Long Beach.
 
Thanks Cody. This is what the chief instructor over here said:
On checkride day, you demonstrate the commercial maneuvers in 98V(Warrior), then hop out and jump into the Apache and do the multi checkride. You’ve already demonstrated the maneuvers in the warrior, you simply have to raise and lower the gear and control the prop to complete the commercial. You’ll be doing that anyway on the multi checkride, so you’ve got a two for one deal! You end up with a commercial pilot certificate, single and multi-engine land. If you shoot some approaches in the Apache on the checkride (the ILS will be single engine), then you’ll get “commercial, airplane single and multiengine land, instrument airplane”. A whole new bunch of privileges in 2 checkrides! Such a deal. Perhaps I am misunderstanding this? I think you both are saying the same thing, but he makes it sound like it is combined? Oh yeah, CNY is central new york, not the airport. Sorry about that.
 
youngflyer said:
Thanks Cody. This is what the chief instructor over here said:
On checkride day, you demonstrate the commercial maneuvers in 98V(Warrior), then hop out and jump into the Apache and do the multi checkride. You’ve already demonstrated the maneuvers in the warrior, you simply have to raise and lower the gear and control the prop to complete the commercial. You’ll be doing that anyway on the multi checkride, so you’ve got a two for one deal! You end up with a commercial pilot certificate, single and multi-engine land. If you shoot some approaches in the Apache on the checkride (the ILS will be single engine), then you’ll get “commercial, airplane single and multiengine land, instrument airplane”. A whole new bunch of privileges in 2 checkrides! Such a deal. Perhaps I am misunderstanding this? I think you both are saying the same thing, but he makes it sound like it is combined? Oh yeah, CNY is central new york, not the airport. Sorry about that.
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By "combined," what he probably means is you prepare for both checkrides, work out a DPE who will do both back to back, and do all the paperwork for both at the same time. They aren't really combined, but they're done at the same time.
 
For what it's worth I did my ME first and then about a month later I did my single. It took me 2 flights in a 172 before I had my sign off (even though I did 2 more due to the wait for a DPE). The single checkride was so simple; coming from a multi, dealing with gear, prop setting, and emergency procedures etc everything just felt so slow. My oral was very short, I pretty much covered the systems of the 172 (not very daunting) and then we went and did some maneuvers and I didn't need to do the xtry and diversion since I had done it in the multi. The only rough thing about the checkride was that the cabin heat knob was stuck and it was in the twenties outside.

Best of luck to you, and remember that if you do your multi first you'll have to have more time in the multi than you would if you did it as an add-on.

I know there are tons of CFIs around here, but feel free to shoot me a PM if you have any questions about what to expect during your training. I just finished the commercial checkrides a few weeks ago.
 
youngflyer said:
Thanks Cody. This is what the chief instructor over here said:
On checkride day, you demonstrate the commercial maneuvers in 98V(Warrior), then hop out and jump into the Apache and do the multi checkride. You’ve already demonstrated the maneuvers in the warrior, you simply have to raise and lower the gear and control the prop to complete the commercial. You’ll be doing that anyway on the multi checkride, so you’ve got a two for one deal! You end up with a commercial pilot certificate, single and multi-engine land. If you shoot some approaches in the Apache on the checkride (the ILS will be single engine), then you’ll get “commercial, airplane single and multiengine land, instrument airplane”. A whole new bunch of privileges in 2 checkrides! Such a deal. Perhaps I am misunderstanding this? I think you both are saying the same thing, but he makes it sound like it is combined? Oh yeah, CNY is central new york, not the airport. Sorry about that.
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But, can this actually be done?, doing the thee or two rides on a day? from what school did you obtained this info? dutch wings?.......it sounds logicall on doing the comm. manuevers on a s.e. then the complex maneuvers on the multi to get both ratings, legally, can be done? how about also getting the inst. along the multi check ride???
 
I have had one guy do his CSEL AND CFI airplane in the same day. However, he was an active Rotor Wing Instructor. He did both checkrides from the right seat. A much more manageable feat given you are flying the same maneuvers for both checkrides.

Do the multi first then take a day or two to get ready for the Single add on in a non complex single.
 
It can be done as originally described.

The requirements for the CSEL are 10 hours of training in a complex aircraft.

The PTS requires that the landings be completed in a complex aircraft.

However, it is not possible to complete both ratings during one check ride. If you complete 2 applications and pay 2 examiner fees than this is possible.

After completing the CSEL the CMEL add on rating is just a demonstration of proficiency in the aircraft, as well as a single engine approach if the applicant would like IFR privileges on his ME certificate.
 
I would consider Sheble Aviation. Very economical (flat price), very professional, excelent training, and you get to fly in a different part of the country for a change.
800-249-6482 or 928-768-3176

PM me if you have more questions, after you talk to them.
 
TaleSpin said:
I would consider Sheble Aviation. Very economical (flat price), very professional, excelent training, and you get to fly in a different part of the country for a change.
800-249-6482 or 928-768-3176

PM me if you have more questions, after you talk to them.
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Wait. Seriously?

I've had two guys who have come to me for add on multi ratings from sheble's. Neither one of them met the requirements for their initial commercial ratings.
 
I ran into a problem "combining" the two check rides with a few DPEs and the local FSDO. Check the PTS...the airplane needs to be of the class and category that the applicant is seeking the certificate. Comm Se needs to be in a SE complex airplane. Comm me needs to be in a Complex ME. It is much easier to do seperate checkrides, seperate days...just my two cents.
 
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