commercial cert training questions

caliginousface

caliginousface

Frank N. Beans
hey all, well i now have my inst. ticket (under 61) as of 12/16/05, thanks to skyschool out in preskit. i am back in san jose for school and flight training as well. i was wondering if any of you guys or gals and opinions on how i should go about commercial. there are a few schools to choose from at RHV, my old school moved to castle (ASA). nice air, air accord, squadron 2, tradewinds. now the cool thing about air accord is if you do their 141 program, as long as you pass the stage checks there is no practical test at the end, just oral and the written i believe. a few instructors from ASA hung around and are instructing at squad 2, but they have this paperless 141, which im guessing is online.

i want to get my commercial in timely matter, but the benefits from non-rushed training. though this may all be delayed if my back is as messed up as i think it is and need surgery.

any thoughts? :)
 
caliginousface said:
hey all, well i now have my inst. ticket (under 61) as of 12/16/05, thanks to skyschool out in preskit. i am back in san jose for school and flight training as well. i was wondering if any of you guys or gals and opinions on how i should go about commercial. there are a few schools to choose from at RHV, my old school moved to castle (ASA). nice air, air accord, squadron 2, tradewinds. now the cool thing about air accord is if you do their 141 program, as long as you pass the stage checks there is no practical test at the end, just oral and the written i believe. a few instructors from ASA hung around and are instructing at squad 2, but they have this paperless 141, which im guessing is online.

i want to get my commercial in timely matter, but the benefits from non-rushed training. though this may all be delayed if my back is as messed up as i think it is and need surgery.

any thoughts? :)
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thoughts between 61 and 141...sorry!
 
i strongly suggest 61 if you have close to 250 hours. if not 141 can get you there quicker and is probably going to be more thorough but not worth going through all the hoops of a 141 course if you meet 61 requirements
 
well with 180 you could get it done much closer to the 200 hour mark by doing it 141. depends on the particular course somewhat. in your case i would lean toward 141. your going to have to get the hours at some point but might as well get that checkride out of the way as soon as possible
 
I by no means an expert on crediting 61 time into a 141 program. You may be close to the 200 hour mark but how much previous flight time would you get credit for if you enroll in a 141 commercial program? How much "retraining" or "equivalence" training will you have to do?

I think the answer to all that varies with each schools 141 program and maybe even the opinion of the chief instructor.

Ask around at the schools you are interested in and let us know what they said.
 
DE727UPS said:
I by no means an expert on crediting 61 time into a 141 program. You may be close to the 200 hour mark but how much previous flight time would you get credit for if you enroll in a 141 commercial program? How much "retraining" or "equivalence" training will you have to do?

I think the answer to all that varies with each schools 141 program and maybe even the opinion of the chief instructor.

Ask around at the schools you are interested in and let us know what they said.
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as far as I know all your time can be counted towards either 141 or 61. If you got your ppl and instrument 141, and had the required hours for part 61 then you can just go ahead and do your commercial part 61 if you want.
 
Yeah, but what about the other way around. Are you saying all flight time under a 61 program will carry into a 141 without penalty?
 
I'm pretty sure it will. however, you'll still have to follow whatever syllabus the school uses for their 141 program. if you have 1 million hours, but you need a long cross country of at least 250 nm one way to get past stage 1, your still going to need to go and fly that cross country. and go for the stage check before you move on to stage 2.

that's how I see it. i'm sure if someone knows different they'll chime in.
 
hey all, thanks for the replies. looks like i'm going 61 with my old instructor outat RHV. the weather seems to be nice around 1200 local for some actual inst. approaches, so he says we'll do that in the multi for good measure. just hoping he's not trying to rack up some multi time just before an airline interview or something.
 
Pt 61 you need 250hrs TT, plus meet the applicable flight experience.

Pt 141 you have to complete a 120hr course of insruction (private/instrument training would not count toward this). You can get credit toward this 120hrs from another 141 commercial course and then only a max of 50% and this is based on an evaluation and a review of your previous training records. You can get a maximum of 25% credit form a non-141 training program, again after an evaluation.

Based on your current hours, it would be much quicker under pt 61. Plus you have more flexability.

Just my 2 cents, based on my experience coming from a pt 141 school.
 
141.77 covers what hours can be transfered into a 141 program. That is what subpilot is refering too if you want to read into it.
 
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