SmoothLanderJ
Well-Known Member
We are having a badge vote at Mesaba right now. I'm voting for this one:
View attachment 10795
What do you all think?
LOL! Joe you keep me going man.... I like that one! :laff:
Comair Mesaba Merge??
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LOL! Joe you keep me going man.... I like that one! :laff:
pilotlight
Well-Known Member
I believe that at a certain point the responsible thing for ALPA to do would be to allow that re-bid. If a displacement that big is going to put the company out of business, then what is the point in making the company do it if none of us would have jobs afterwards. I believe in the union and i believe that the contract should be followed, but I also believe in the best interest for everyone at our company. I know some people are thinking, screw that, make them displace, we have been without a contract forever and thats true but our union did give us something to vote on and we turned it down. Some times doing the better thing will get you more in the long run.
I also think that this LGA flying is not going to be as big as people think it is. I think it will be dominated by mainline and 76 seat flying and only about 10-12 200's
saxman
Well-Known Member
And if there is a merger, you can expect all Comair pilots to get stapled to the bottom of Mesaba's list. The money is still there sitting in a bank account. No one has spent it.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Hence the reason I think they'll open a small LGA base and just shrink MSP through attrition. There are plenty of guys that'll bid over to LGA without being displaced. I'd wager there's some guys that commute from the east coast to DTW that'll do it for an easier commute. Assuming there's upgrades involved, you'll have FOs tripping over each other to bid for that. Maybe even some CAs that want off reserve. If there's a viable alternative to mass displacement or a complete system re-bid, then that would be it.
What gets me is people are thinking if there's a complete system re-bid, senior FOs are gonna get to upgrade. I'm betting that if there IS a re-bid, it's gonna be seat specific. What's the point in saving money if you're gonna have to pay out the nose in training costs anyway? At the most, I could see some flip-flopping from the -900 and the -200 or vice versa, but I don't see senior FOs bumping junior CAs back to the right seat.
NC_BE300
Well-Known Member
We are having a badge vote at Mesaba right now. I'm voting for this one:
View attachment 10795
What do you all think?
LOL. Thats pretty good!
Can you make one with Comair on it too? I'll print it out and have some fun with it in ops.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Phht. What are you smoking?
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
That is an exageration, but if you think that Mesaba pilots wouldn't be looking out for #1 then you're fooling yourself. Merger assessments are important and $240 is a small amount.
Yea I want some of that stuff.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Well looking out for number one only gives us maybe 1 option, relative senority integration. In fact, the only way anyone would get stapled is if Mesaba laid down and said "please staple us!" or Comair said it.
Yes it was a wild exaggeration. I'd say a staple is impossible, but I'm not a union rep.
CRJDriver
Well-Known Member
I can tell you that the Comair MEC wants a merger, but with all the wholly-owned. Apparently, there is one wholly-owned that does not want to merge, the Union did no specify which one, but your choices are Compass & Mesaba
I think if there will be any kind of future for Comair, they will almost have to merge to remain in existence and to prevent further shrinkage.
What Delta should do is combine their wholly-owned and create a subsidiary called Delta Connection and have scheduling, dispatch, maintenance run through 1 building, or even DL SOC for that matter. But, I don't see this happening because it would reduce or even eliminated the whipsaw....
I think if there will be any kind of future for Comair, they will almost have to merge to remain in existence and to prevent further shrinkage.What Delta should do is combine their wholly-owned and create a subsidiary called Delta Connection and have scheduling, dispatch, maintenance run through 1 building, or even DL SOC for that matter. But, I don't see this happening because it would reduce or even eliminated the whipsaw....
jynxyjoe
Queso King
I can tell you that the Comair MEC wants a merger, but with all the wholly-owned. Apparently, there is one wholly-owned that does not want to merge, the Union did no specify which one, but your choices are Compass & Mesaba
What Delta should do is combine their wholly-owned and create a subsidiary called Delta Connection and have scheduling, dispatch, maintenance run through 1 building, or even DL SOC for that matter. But, I don't see this happening because it would reduce or even eliminated the whipsaw....
PHHHT. Eliminate the whipsaw? Maybe if there was no Skywest, Mesa, Pinnacle, Republic. Delta reported our revenue is up 111% from last year. Says to me they are trying to sell our asses off. You don't go posting good numbers 2 years from a contract negotiation when we are at the nadir of the economy.
I can't speak for our MEC if he's in favor or not. If he believes in my line of thinking it's a complicated answer:
me said:
But who knows if I speak for the whole pilot group
If the merger benefited anyone on either list I'd have something to say about it. The reality is, Comair is being crushed, we are being crushed, both of us seem to be paying our own way with the company, and both locals suck from the teat of ALPA national. Half our fleet and half our pilots will be gone over the next couple years. Maybe Comair wants a hug from us, a little kiss, and someone's hand to hold while we go into the lighted tunnel together. I don't care about any of that. The only possible benefit I see to the Comair group, is they'll spend a crap ton of money (what is it? a million in the bank for a merger?) with the benefit of dropping a ton of XJ people into a base other than CVG so all of Comair can be home based again. I don't see how that's worth 250 bucks from everyones paycheck. We are all gonna be furloughed soon and airplanes given to Skywest, Pinnacle, and what ever stupid airline JO starts up next. Republic is locked in with another 8(?) years with Delta so there is nothing they can do about it. Delta can help fund Republics growth into a large carrier who can compete with Delta. Then RA can go work for Republic as their CEO.
It's all circling the toilet and like Riddick said, "It had to end sometime."
Maybe when I'm furloughed I can get on with Republic and fly an even bigger shiner jet as an FO with even bigger and gayer shades and taller spiker hair until I get enough time to go follow in Zap's footsteps (I don't know how well that reads but my point being someday I'll get on with a good corporate company hopefully).
PS: If you can give me the Comair MEC's email I'd be happy to send him a thanks for painting us, Mesaba, the younger and more broke pilot group, as the bad guys.
NC_BE300
Well-Known Member
When/Where/How did this develop?????
I dont have this impression, nor have i heard this view from anyone else that someone's "the bad guys".
Of all things i only see its all of us in one big crap storm together, side-by-side.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
WalterSobchak
Well-Known Member
This is probably the dumbest rumor out there. It's really sad that this thread is on page #2.
There is no insentive financially to spend millions of dollars integrating two pilot groups thus making stronger pilot group(see comair strike 2001) and consolodating two owned assests that won't net any increased revenue. DAL can already transfer away OH planes and hack off what ever management they need to make it more streamline. One thing DAL can't do is transfer any +51 seat airplanes to OH without having to give them a flow through(which XJ & CZ have). That was one of the reasons for the Freedom 900 two step that happened a year ago. All of this is part of the JPWA and DAL scope. There for they can transfer away OH planes with no penalty including 700/900's to XJ or other non wholly owned carriers for free. They can do that to reshape or relocate the RJ fleet.
Bottom line DAL is out to make a buck and consolodating XJ & OH wouldn't be a very good way of doing that.
There is no insentive financially to spend millions of dollars integrating two pilot groups thus making stronger pilot group(see comair strike 2001) and consolodating two owned assests that won't net any increased revenue. DAL can already transfer away OH planes and hack off what ever management they need to make it more streamline. One thing DAL can't do is transfer any +51 seat airplanes to OH without having to give them a flow through(which XJ & CZ have). That was one of the reasons for the Freedom 900 two step that happened a year ago. All of this is part of the JPWA and DAL scope. There for they can transfer away OH planes with no penalty including 700/900's to XJ or other non wholly owned carriers for free. They can do that to reshape or relocate the RJ fleet.
Bottom line DAL is out to make a buck and consolodating XJ & OH wouldn't be a very good way of doing that.
NC_BE300
Well-Known Member
Ok, let me re-phrase.
jynxjoe, there was no insult or confusion intended- i just feel that the majority of the pilot group here feel that we are not against each other..... that was all im trying to say.
Of course there is always that 1 or whatever %, but the point is-its not everyone's feeling.
that is all i meant.
jynxjoe, there was no insult or confusion intended- i just feel that the majority of the pilot group here feel that we are not against each other..... that was all im trying to say.
Of course there is always that 1 or whatever %, but the point is-its not everyone's feeling.
that is all i meant.
higney85
Property of Scheduling
Not to stir the pot but the "wholly owned" brand is also including Compass... So you have Comair, Compass, and Mesaba. I can think of multiple reasons why EACH of the three would have their feet in the sand over a merger. Personally.. I see XJ being sold off in a year or two. To who?- Have no clue. It would only make sense with the actions that have gone on compared to past historical actions. Remember Express One-Pinnacle about a decade ago? Buy em beaten, build em up, sell em off, then play hardball from the other side of the fence. I don't have any inside knowledge- just personal thoughts.:dunno:
jynxyjoe
Queso King
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Well I don't know how together we are, except our two companies have been shot at by Delta and we are both going down.
For me, I don't care if we crash first, second, or at the same time, but I do wish you guys the best.
WalterSobchak
Well-Known Member
Doesn't make sense right now. No one would pay for an airline. Mesaba and Compass are the to cost effective of the 3 wholly owns. CZ and XJ are comprised mostly of aircraft that can turn a profit. I think they have learned their lesson on the long term asa's of the past. NOt to mention they are still tearing XJ down and not building at the moment. It's definitely your personal thoughts though. Most 9E guys are wishing for this more than it being reality right now. Please don't settle for a contract worse than we had in bankruptcy.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
This is very true, IMO. Although, I personally don't want to see it happen. Mainly because I hate what's been done to XJ and Comair. Compass? I've run into enough crews that think they're better than me because they a) fly a "mainline" airplane and b) are wholly owned with a flow through that they could burn for all I care. Harsh? Maybe, but we're all pilots just trying to survive in the DCI system. I don't need guys looking down their noses at me just because my management is a bunch of tool bags that would sell me out for a bag of chips and a Lenny's sub.