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Minnesota_Flyer
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It really isn't about money, it's more about time and lifestyle. There are some good paying jobs out there where you have no control of your life (like airline captain for example. Or CEO for that matter.)
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Or lawyer for that matter.
I think the key (and this is back to the original question) is to do what floats your boat. Major in something that interests you; think about what you would like to do if someone wasn't paying you. Don't do what you think you "should" do b/c of societal/familial/financial pressures.
I went to law school not because I wanted to be a lawyer but because it seemed like the thing to do, guaranteeing a good "career" with good pay. I am "successful" as a lawyer, and I make six-figures (but only just), but I hate it, and I'm counting the seconds until I finish my comm./CFI so I can take a (signficant) cut in pay and start doing something I like to do.
Money is nice, and it can buy sweet things, but it really can't make up for 50-60 hours of misery every week. Tenney is right, setting out on your own can be very rewarding and offer a nice lifestyle (if you are comfortable with all of the risks involved). But that is only one option. You just gotta figure out what makes you tick, and then follow that. Presumably, flying is first, but what comes second? That should be your "back-up."
Just my $0.02.
MF
It really isn't about money, it's more about time and lifestyle. There are some good paying jobs out there where you have no control of your life (like airline captain for example. Or CEO for that matter.)
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Or lawyer for that matter.
I think the key (and this is back to the original question) is to do what floats your boat. Major in something that interests you; think about what you would like to do if someone wasn't paying you. Don't do what you think you "should" do b/c of societal/familial/financial pressures.
I went to law school not because I wanted to be a lawyer but because it seemed like the thing to do, guaranteeing a good "career" with good pay. I am "successful" as a lawyer, and I make six-figures (but only just), but I hate it, and I'm counting the seconds until I finish my comm./CFI so I can take a (signficant) cut in pay and start doing something I like to do.
Money is nice, and it can buy sweet things, but it really can't make up for 50-60 hours of misery every week. Tenney is right, setting out on your own can be very rewarding and offer a nice lifestyle (if you are comfortable with all of the risks involved). But that is only one option. You just gotta figure out what makes you tick, and then follow that. Presumably, flying is first, but what comes second? That should be your "back-up."
Just my $0.02.
MF
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Tenney, you missed her point completly. She's saying that it's not about money, it's not about social status, it's not about what's expected of you, it's not about results, it's not about the drive to the top and it's not about lifestyle. It's about doing something that is good, it's about doing something that helps other people and it's about doing something that makes you happy. She was lamenting about why people focus so much on money and make it their sole goal in life when they should be off doing what makes them happy. You might say that money makes you happy, but as Minnesota Flyer has just shown us; money does not make you happy, being happy makes you happy.
I often go off on the same rant myself, usually to skibum. I've never done what's been expected of me, because nothing has ever been expected of me other than to pursue being happy with life. That has never involved being rich, or even sucessful in the American sense of the word.
Cheers
John Herreshoff
I often go off on the same rant myself, usually to skibum. I've never done what's been expected of me, because nothing has ever been expected of me other than to pursue being happy with life. That has never involved being rich, or even sucessful in the American sense of the word.
Cheers
John Herreshoff
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Don't worry R2F, if you ever meet me, you'll probably meet Dave. He's the crazy kinda guy that would drive to Florida on a whim.
Speaking of Florida, you should go over to Orlando and cheer for my Bronco's against Vanderbuilt on Friday. It's time to dance baby!
Cheers
John Herreshoff
Speaking of Florida, you should go over to Orlando and cheer for my Bronco's against Vanderbuilt on Friday. It's time to dance baby!
Cheers
John Herreshoff
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I lost you there.
I don't know what you are saying there but let me guess.
It really isn't about money, it's more about time and lifestyle. There are some good paying jobs out there where you have no control of your life (like airline captain for example. Or CEO for that matter.)
[/ QUOTE ] Airline Captain? Comeon.. your on an aviation website...gotta remember that pilots do have control of their lives, it just depends on the seniority and the amount of bid lines to go thru and if there are moveup possibilities, swaps generated etc! Now - if your talking about the wives controlling vs the airlines...hmmm for some of them, that might be true.. but not for all HAHA
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Only a business owner is going to have control of TIME.
[/ QUOTE ] See, I dunno if that's necessarily true for all business owners... it may be true after the business has grown enough... but it takes a few years after starting a business for it to be able to be it's own time machine...at the beginning, your working days/nights/weekends to build the clientelle and repeat business, if your marketing and business tactics are successful, then you no longer have to work 24/7 to keep the business operating on it's own...and at that point, you can control your own timesheet, until then -> your business is your 24/7 crying baby asking for 100% attention.
Granted, being your own employer has it's advantages but like some said, not everyone is cut out for that and in my opinion, that's good.. cuz now a days, it seems like there are too many chiefs and not enough indians to do the work... we need blue collar workers as much as white collar workers in our society and with the amount that garbage men are paid, had i known, i'd have switched to that easy (but smelly) job! or even construction -> they make some good $$ too...haha
I lost you there.
I don't know what you are saying there but let me guess.
It really isn't about money, it's more about time and lifestyle. There are some good paying jobs out there where you have no control of your life (like airline captain for example. Or CEO for that matter.)
[/ QUOTE ] Airline Captain? Comeon.. your on an aviation website...gotta remember that pilots do have control of their lives, it just depends on the seniority and the amount of bid lines to go thru and if there are moveup possibilities, swaps generated etc! Now - if your talking about the wives controlling vs the airlines...hmmm for some of them, that might be true.. but not for all HAHA
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Only a business owner is going to have control of TIME.
[/ QUOTE ] See, I dunno if that's necessarily true for all business owners... it may be true after the business has grown enough... but it takes a few years after starting a business for it to be able to be it's own time machine...at the beginning, your working days/nights/weekends to build the clientelle and repeat business, if your marketing and business tactics are successful, then you no longer have to work 24/7 to keep the business operating on it's own...and at that point, you can control your own timesheet, until then -> your business is your 24/7 crying baby asking for 100% attention.
Granted, being your own employer has it's advantages but like some said, not everyone is cut out for that and in my opinion, that's good.. cuz now a days, it seems like there are too many chiefs and not enough indians to do the work... we need blue collar workers as much as white collar workers in our society and with the amount that garbage men are paid, had i known, i'd have switched to that easy (but smelly) job! or even construction -> they make some good $$ too...haha
Mr_Creepy
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Tenney, you missed her point completly.
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Please call me John. After all I don't call you "Herreshoff" It sounds like you are talking down to me.
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She's saying that it's not about money, it's not about social status, it's not about what's expected of you, it's not about results, it's not about the drive to the top and it's not about lifestyle. It's about doing something that is good, it's about doing something that helps other people and it's about doing something that makes you happy. She was lamenting about why people focus so much on money and make it their sole goal in life when they should be off doing what makes them happy. You might say that money makes you happy, but as Minnesota Flyer has just shown us; money does not make you happy, being happy makes you happy.
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Looks like you are the one that misunderstood me. That is a very contradictory paragraph. I never said money makes me happy. Choices make me happy. Service makes me happy. Having time to serve other people makes me happy.
You can't have those without a decent income. Sorry, but to think otherwise is living in a dream world. If you are helping others without taking care of yourself then you are probably using someone else's money and resources, i.e. missionaries.
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I often go off on the same rant myself, usually to skibum. I've never done what's been expected of me, because nothing has ever been expected of me other than to pursue being happy with life. That has never involved being rich, or even sucessful in the American sense of the word.
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Let me quote Marlene Dietrich. "I've been rich and I've been poor. Rich is better."
I define poor as not being in control of your finances, your schedule, being in debt, wondering how you are going to pay the bills, living from paycheck to paycheck, etc.
There is nothing "happy" about being poor. Sounds stressful to me.
My definition of being rich is having the bills paid, no debt, no one coming to the door to take things away, being able to enjoy my life, wife and family, and having resources to do what we want when we want to do it.
That's what a rich life is.
So far no job ever gave me that.
Tenney, you missed her point completly.
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Please call me John. After all I don't call you "Herreshoff" It sounds like you are talking down to me.
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She's saying that it's not about money, it's not about social status, it's not about what's expected of you, it's not about results, it's not about the drive to the top and it's not about lifestyle. It's about doing something that is good, it's about doing something that helps other people and it's about doing something that makes you happy. She was lamenting about why people focus so much on money and make it their sole goal in life when they should be off doing what makes them happy. You might say that money makes you happy, but as Minnesota Flyer has just shown us; money does not make you happy, being happy makes you happy.
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Looks like you are the one that misunderstood me. That is a very contradictory paragraph. I never said money makes me happy. Choices make me happy. Service makes me happy. Having time to serve other people makes me happy.
You can't have those without a decent income. Sorry, but to think otherwise is living in a dream world. If you are helping others without taking care of yourself then you are probably using someone else's money and resources, i.e. missionaries.
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I often go off on the same rant myself, usually to skibum. I've never done what's been expected of me, because nothing has ever been expected of me other than to pursue being happy with life. That has never involved being rich, or even sucessful in the American sense of the word.
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Let me quote Marlene Dietrich. "I've been rich and I've been poor. Rich is better."
I define poor as not being in control of your finances, your schedule, being in debt, wondering how you are going to pay the bills, living from paycheck to paycheck, etc.
There is nothing "happy" about being poor. Sounds stressful to me.
My definition of being rich is having the bills paid, no debt, no one coming to the door to take things away, being able to enjoy my life, wife and family, and having resources to do what we want when we want to do it.
That's what a rich life is.
So far no job ever gave me that.
tonyw
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Only a business owner is going to have control of TIME.
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Say what?
Let's play hypothetical games here, okay?
Say you're a business owner, looking forward to getting the hell out of dodge to enjoy a weekend at the beach. Well, your biggest client calls, and says that he needs you to work on something that he needs for the guy who signs the checks to your company. And he has to have it by Monday at noon.
Whatcha gonna do? Yeah, sure you're going to blow off your biggest client and say, nope, I'm going to the beach, forget it.
The people I know who have the LEAST amount of free time are people who run small businesses.
Me? I'd rather just sit back, do my work, collect a paycheck and commission check, and go home at the end of the day.
Only a business owner is going to have control of TIME.
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Say what?
Let's play hypothetical games here, okay?
Say you're a business owner, looking forward to getting the hell out of dodge to enjoy a weekend at the beach. Well, your biggest client calls, and says that he needs you to work on something that he needs for the guy who signs the checks to your company. And he has to have it by Monday at noon.
Whatcha gonna do? Yeah, sure you're going to blow off your biggest client and say, nope, I'm going to the beach, forget it.
The people I know who have the LEAST amount of free time are people who run small businesses.
Me? I'd rather just sit back, do my work, collect a paycheck and commission check, and go home at the end of the day.
tonyw
Well-Known Member
You didn't address my point. Please tell me just what you'd do as a small business owner in that hypothetical. To repeat:
Big client calls. Says he needs something by Monday at noon. You planned to go to the beach over the weekend. What do you do?
Furthermore, yes, I have been involved in small business. I have a nice little stake in a bar here in DC. But that is irrelevant to the hypothetical.
Big client calls. Says he needs something by Monday at noon. You planned to go to the beach over the weekend. What do you do?
Furthermore, yes, I have been involved in small business. I have a nice little stake in a bar here in DC. But that is irrelevant to the hypothetical.
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Sorry if I wasn't clear. That comment was directed at Mr. Tenney.
I really do want to see just how he responds to my hypothetical, though. I think you and I know what virtually every small business owner would do, but I do want to see what he says.
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Yeah I just noticed that, sorry. His post wasn't showing when I replied?
Sorry if I wasn't clear. That comment was directed at Mr. Tenney.
I really do want to see just how he responds to my hypothetical, though. I think you and I know what virtually every small business owner would do, but I do want to see what he says.
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Yeah I just noticed that, sorry. His post wasn't showing when I replied?
Mr_Creepy
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Tony I manage my time. Big client calls on friday wants something monday? Not gonna happen!
Remember the phrase, "Excuse me but the failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part." Only say it in a nice way, "We can get back with you Monday on that."
If I lose a client? Well that's why you have more than one client
And any client that is that messed up is going to be trouble some other way, eventually. Good riddance!
The only emergency I answered recently was my father in the hospital. I put aside all work for that for two weeks. And I did not lose a client.
Remember the phrase, "Excuse me but the failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part." Only say it in a nice way, "We can get back with you Monday on that."
If I lose a client? Well that's why you have more than one client
The only emergency I answered recently was my father in the hospital. I put aside all work for that for two weeks. And I did not lose a client.
Flugmaschine
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Tony I manage my time. Big client calls on friday wants something monday? Not gonna happen!
Remember the phrase, "Excuse me but the failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part." Only say it in a nice way, "We can get back with you Monday on that."
If I lose a client? Well that's why you have more than one client
And any client that is that messed up is going to be trouble some other way, eventually. Good riddance!
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I agree. Managing time is not an easy task. If I spent as much time DOING something rather than deciding what to do next, I'd probably not be so poor. Well, also knowing a lot about real estate wouldn't hurt either.
Tony I manage my time. Big client calls on friday wants something monday? Not gonna happen!
Remember the phrase, "Excuse me but the failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part." Only say it in a nice way, "We can get back with you Monday on that."
If I lose a client? Well that's why you have more than one client
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I agree. Managing time is not an easy task. If I spent as much time DOING something rather than deciding what to do next, I'd probably not be so poor. Well, also knowing a lot about real estate wouldn't hurt either.