Cockpit Chatter

ChasenSFO said:
Sterile cockpits? HA! What harm ever comes from breaking the sterile cockpit rule.

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Maybe they'd hear the horn better.
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I don't want to spray any Halon 1301 on the video, but there's certainly a lack on context about the causal elements of the gear up.
 
Ever since the conspiracy theorists took over the YouTube with contextless videos, seeing isn't necessarily believing when it's viewed on your computer screen.

Sadly, the politowhacks are invading Facebook too :(
 
ChasenSFO said:
Sterile cockpits? HA! What harm ever comes from breaking the sterile cockpit rule.

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Maybe they'd hear the horn better.
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I think I just threw up in my mouth a little...
 
OhioStatePilot said:
Yeah, it kinda seems like it was a planned gear-up landing from their lack of surprise upon impact...
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Don't think so....

If I'm doing a gear up landing I'm not going to be chatty on the final talking about gloves...I expect to see some emergency equipment on the taxiway ready to pull my and my pax lifeless body out of a charred piece of metal in case I ball it up. Also I'm may/may not shut the engine off depending on how I feel about the owner of the aircraft ;-)

But you're right, aside from the pilot hitting the dashboard there is no real sense of "HOLY ! WTF did we just do?!"
 
I don't see why they really need to scream and cry once they realized what happened. It looked like a pretty valid "Oh crap..." moment. I saw this a long time ago, I don't what was really happening, but why would they be video taping a checkride? I think it was just poor piloting. Period.
 
So are you guys saying the DE--if this was a checkride--blew it too? From the little I could understand of what they were saying, it sounded like one of them was calmly talking, as typical of a CFI or applicant. It didn't sound like they were talking about stuff unrelated to the flight.

And that the camera man saw the impending gear up landing, that he apparently didn't speak up seems to support the notion this was intended due to malfunction, etc.
 
From the original YouTube video, here are the comments of the person who posted the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K4QHpVXtxI

This video was taken by Paul Wingo, who was sitting in the back. I have uploaded it here WITH HIS WRITTEN PERMISSION.

Cessna 182 Skylane RG

Charles W. Baker Airport
USA January , 2007

From Paul Wingo:

"There was a snow storm approaching in about an hour and we were doing a check ride. Because of possible ice, we had been flying with the gear down the entire time. We started doing touch and goes after a while. Habit when you take off is to raise the gear. This is what happened. So, when we come around, they were conversing and what not and simply forgot the gear was up. The prop got bent up pretty bad along with the belly of the plane."
 
Huh...so they left the gear hanging because of icing potential? Doesn't sound right to me at all.
 
wrxpilot said:
"...simply forgot the gear was up..."
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Commercial Pilot Practical Test Standards said:
Special Emphasis Areas
Examiners shall place special emphasis upon areas of aircraft
operations considered critical to flight safety. Among these are:
1. positive aircraft control;
2. positive exchange of the flight controls procedure (who is flying
the airplane);
3. stall/spin awareness;
4. collision avoidance;
5. wake turbulence avoidance;
6. Land and Hold Short Operations (LAHSO);
7. runway incursion avoidance;
8. controlled flight into terrain (CFIT);
9. aeronautical decision making (ADM);
10. checklist usage; and
11. other areas deemed appropriate to any phase of the practical
test.
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-mini
 
RICHARD5 said:
So are you guys saying the DE--if this was a checkride--blew it too? From the little I could understand of what they were saying, it sounded like one of them was calmly talking, as typical of a CFI or applicant. It didn't sound like they were talking about stuff unrelated to the flight.

And that the camera man saw the impending gear up landing, that he apparently didn't speak up seems to support the notion this was intended due to malfunction, etc.
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That's no real surprise. There's a DE here in the KC area who has had a few gear up on check-rides. Somehow, he still has his DE status.
 
Stomp16 said:
That's no real surprise. There's a DE here in the KC area who has had a few gear up on check-rides. Somehow, he still has his DE status.
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So if you're a DE you are allowed to screw up, if you are an applicant or working pilot there is no excuse?

Just doesn't seem right, everyone should be accountable, no matter who you are or what you do.
 
BrewMaster said:
So if you're a DE you are allowed to screw up, if you are an applicant or working pilot there is no excuse?

Just doesn't seem right, everyone should be accountable, no matter who you are or what you do.
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§ 61.47 Status of an examiner who is authorized by the Administrator to conduct practical tests. said:
(a) An examiner represents the Administrator for the purpose of conducting practical tests for certificates and ratings issued under this part and to observe an applicant's ability to perform the areas of operation on the practical test.
(b) The examiner is not the pilot in command of the aircraft during the practical test unless the examiner agrees to act in that capacity for the flight or for a portion of the flight by prior arrangement with:
(1) The applicant; or
(2) A person who would otherwise act as pilot in command of the flight or for a portion of the flight.
(c) Notwithstanding the type of aircraft used during the practical test, the applicant and the examiner (and any other occupants authorized to be on board by the examiner) are not subject to the requirements or limitations for the carriage of passengers that are specified in this chapter.
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I read this little tidbit a while ago...

"A student pilot whose certificate specifically states "Passenger Carrying Prohibited" both acts as and logs as PIC the time flown during his flight test, and he has a passenger aboard (the inspector or examiner). The theory under which a student pilot may not log PIC, but only "solo" when he is alone in the airplane is based on FAR 61.51, which states that a recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log PIC time when he or she is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which he or she is rated (holds a certificate for that category and class), and a student pilot does not have such a rating. Who knows just why that theory goes out the window when an examiner gets in the right seat to administer a flight test as an official "passenger/observer"?"
 
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