COA Mechanic Sucked into engine...(2006)

Horrible stuff. You'd be surprised how many times I've been keeping an eye out of someone pulling back a jetway(which makes a super loud bell sound when moving) only get the agent to stop just before crushing a ramper who was paying no attention. I've also grabbed a guy by the collar once when he bent over to pick up a carry-on he dropped and almost stood up right into the corner of a CRJ's wiglet. I was just passing by on my way to clock in, he's lucky anyone even saw it coming. Stay safe out there guys.
 
An AA ramper walked into the spining prop arc of an ATR on the ORD ramp in the mid-90s (very messy, and in full view of pax).

Continental Express had this happen at LIT a few years ago with the ATR. I flew with the guy who was the FO at the time, he said everyone saw from the terminal and it splattered all over the window.
 
Maybe I'm missing something, but why do 121 operators even run props while parked at the gate? Why not just wait until push back? I'm sure there's a simple explanation, but I'm just curious.
 
A lot of prop planes don't have APUs to run the starters, so they need to start one while still plugged in. same thing while coming in to the gate, need to keep one running until they are plugged in. I think most of the people vs props incidents are probably on arrival, the one in BGR years ago was. After plugging in the GPU on a 1900 she walked forward instead of backwards. Luckily for her the engine had shut down, but she did get a nasty concussion and cracked her skull, but she survived.
 
Maybe I'm missing something, but why do 121 operators even run props while parked at the gate? Why not just wait until push back? I'm sure there's a simple explanation, but I'm just curious.

Unless we're hooked up to a GPU, there really is no reason to start at the gate. Every Captain is different, some will start #2 during pushback, and others will start up after the push is complete. Both method's are acceptable in my book. If they choose to start during push (the FO is "supposed" to start during push anyways), Its probably a good idea to keep an eye on the wingwalker out there.

On the flip side of things, the motors are gonna be turning when we pull in to the gate too. Now on the Dash, the props go in to feather for 30 secs before shutdown. During this time, the ramp folks are opening the bag door, setting chalks, placing cones, etc. I'm more concerned about the props being a factor at this time than any other.
 
I was at ATL one evening back in high school, so this would have been in the 97-2000 time frame, and witnessed a ramper drive or walk (can't remember which) into the prop of an ASA EMB-120. The way the aircraft was facing, it splattered blood on the windows of Concourse C...it was quite possibly the worst thing I've ever been witness to.

Yeah, I think it was Christmas '97. He was driving a tug in a snow storm. Probably had his head down not watching where he was going.
I was amazed we never had a passenger walk into a prop. Gate agents would send pax down the stairs to the ramp where they would be faced with a multitude of airplanes with spinning props and have to figure out which one to board. It was not unusual to arrive at a location only to find you had a passenger who boarded the incorrect airplane. I even had one passenger who spoke no English get off in Panama City, FL think they were in Panama City, Panama. Not sure how they made it through the gate with the ticket scanner.
The incident in KELP was with the shop where I use to be a 135 CP. I think the legal dust settled about a year ago.
 
In Seattle, Horizon normally starts up after the door is closed. They have many airplanes using the same gates but it's well marked and the pathway to the airplanes are painted, as to not have a straying passenger.

But yeah, be careful out there, or you too will...

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Out of IAD we run the Saab props at the gate after all passengers are boarded up. We used to be able to run them during boarding the cool down the aircraft.

Couple of reasons why we start #2 engine up at the gate:

- GPU needed on the Saab for the most part. We require the ITT to be below 175 before introducing fuel. In the summer the engines sometimes dont cool off on their own, so you have to motor the engine to cool it down, this burns up battery big time, and sometimes they just dont make it. Our manual actually recommends 30 seconds of motoring regardless of the temp of the engine. I had a brand new CA who decided to go LGA style and push back with no engines running, then try a batt start. It was pretty embarrassing to have to get a tug pull us back into the gate to get it started. We also clogged up the ramp while we coordinated that. And anyone who has had to deal with AWAC ops out of IAD knows how long that proces probably took.

- No Air Con unless we have an engine running. We try hard to get them to plug in the wall air, but sometimes they dont (sometimes Ill go out there and do it my damn self), and sometimes it doesnt work. Even when we do get it plugged in, those few minutes between disconnect and engine starting the cabin gets extremely hot. We clocked it at 100F the other day inside the cabin. Once an engine is started we can turn on the high pressure bleed and get it cooled down normally.

- On coming into the gates we normally shut #1 down and bring it in on #2. But our operations manual states that any contaminated surface requires us to use both engines. If its raining, most captains will still shut down #1 even though you are not supposed to. The rampers use to refuse to bring us in until it was shut down, but a friendly phone call to ops from our director of ops put a stop to that. I flew with a brand new captain from IAH who had never really taxiied on snow patch surfaces before try to feather the engine and then move from a complete stop with the other engine, once the plane went side ways he realized his error. I just laughed.

There is also a tiny incline going into one of the ramp areas, if the rampers make you stop prior to the incline, with a full boat, one engine is going to get you moving. I have seen guys have to restart an engine just to get us moving. While taxiing we arent using thrust, we're using beta ;-)

For those of you who work out of IAD and the A gates, you know how crazy those gates are, and how the idiots will try and board an RJ next to us, while our prop is spinning 15 feet away. All it takes is one kid to go running out not paying attention. I normally tell the captain that we arent clear until all the doors are shut leading onto the ramp and I will normally motion to a ramper to either shut the door, or keep an eye on the door. The RJ guys probably get pissed because they cant board, but what else are we gonna do?
 
Is the ATR the only turboprop that has "hotel mode"?

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The Saabs have a "prop brake." Where the engine runs, but not the prop. They are disabled on all Colgan aircraft. Some have the light still installed. I think it would be awesome use something like this, but I can see why they took it out.
 
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The Saabs have a "prop brake." Where the engine runs, but not the prop. They are disabled on all Colgan aircraft. Some have the light still installed. I think it would be awesome use something like this, but I can see why they took it out.
Yeah that's what I was referring to. What was the main reason for them disabling it? One more thing to break?
 
Yeah that's what I was referring to. What was the main reason for them disabling it? One more thing to break?

Probably. I could see them worrying that an engine would be running, and a ramper thinking its Ok to go near the prop, and then a prop brake breaking and the prop starts to spin. This is only my guess. We didnt even learn how the prop brake works, so Im not sure if thats even possible. Or it could be because not all the aircraft had it, so they decided to just take them off all of them.
 
Very sobering to think about...

I've been on the ramp over 3 years now with 2 airlines. (6 months @ Mesa & 3 years now with LCC) It takes 2 hands worth of fingers to count how many people I've stopped from killing themselves, usually at Mesa with the Dash's. People just get into their own little world and forget about all the stuff trying to kill them out there.

We just had a recurrent safety training class here in PHX about stuff like this. They were talking about a ramper trying to connect the towbar to the push tug by herself, from the pushtug. She's leaning over and trying to line it up, then hits the gas instead of the brakes, crushes herself between the nose and the tug....Sad reminder that shortcuts kill in our biz.

On the other hand, as long as you know they're ok, watching people get blown off push tugs from jetblast is funny as hell.....:rotfl:
 
Had a new fed check-chucker walk back towards the prop once in mdw. Shut it down but there's no way it would have been fast enough. Luckily one of the other dudes buttonholed him. Absolutely terrifying sitting there waiting to hear the 'thunk'. Gave me nightmares for a week...and nothing even happened. How you miss a Garrett at idle I don't know. Probably new job jitters.
It's easier than you might think.

I nearly walked into the prop of an MU2 myself about 20 years ago while working as a ramper. I had just unplugged the GPU and was walking forward between the fuselage and the engine nacelle to give the pilot the thumbs up when I realized the situation and stopped myself just short.

As for why, I can only think that it was combination of having gotten too comfortable being in and around the prop arc on that particular aircraft during fueling (a daily event), and somehow the Garretts' exhaust had me thinking "jet".
 
It's easier than you might think.

I nearly walked into the prop of an MU2 myself about 20 years ago while working as a ramper. I had just unplugged the GPU and was walking forward between the fuselage and the engine nacelle to give the pilot the thumbs up when I realized the situation and stopped myself just short.

As for why, I can only think that it was combination of having gotten too comfortable being in and around the prop arc on that particular aircraft during fueling (a daily event), and somehow the Garretts' exhaust had me thinking "jet".

Very much is easy. Momentary loss of SA can be from any number of things: someone gets comfortable and settles into a routine with the mind at idle; someone has something on their mind from the day, maybe a personal issue or something, a distraction; someone in a hurry maybe; maybe a changed situation where their normal routine is disrupted momentarily. Any number of things can play into it.
 
Do you know the crew that was working the flight? Curious what there perspective was if they shared.

I do not know who the crew was. There is still pending litigation so I am guessing they aren't talking. I have visited several times with our ELP ops agent who was near the tug at the nose-wheel when the mechanic went into the engine. I could see in his eyes how shaken he was as he retold the events to me. Very sad...
 
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