Co-pilot of doomed Buffalo Flight 3407, was paid $16,000 yr

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dcramer16 said:
Ok, I know nothing about what I'm talking about, but this gave me an idea. What if there was some sort of government action out there to make the airlines price things about the same. So it wouldn't matter if you flew Continental, Colgan, Delta, Southwest or US, a ticket from New York to Orlando would cost $350, a ticket from San Diego to Chicago cost $500, etc...What would happen if expedia, travelocity and the like were no more. Or is that a Commie thought, making the airlines charge about the same price.:confused:
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You just invented airline regulation! :nana2:Funny, many people believe that is the way to go.
Good job . . .
 
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dcramer16 said:
Ok, I know nothing about what I'm talking about, but this gave me an idea. What if there was some sort of government action out there to make the airlines price things about the same. So it wouldn't matter if you flew Continental, Colgan, Delta, Southwest or US, a ticket from New York to Orlando would cost $350, a ticket from San Diego to Chicago cost $500, etc...What would happen if expedia, travelocity and the like were no more. Or is that a Commie thought, making the airlines charge about the same price.:confused:

Edit: P.S. I remember 20 years ago it was darn expensive to fly anywhere, and there were still plenty of passengers. Going on an airplane was a big deal, people even used to dress up for it. My point is, if people could afford to pay a "reasonable" price for a ticket back then, why shouldn't they have to now?
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That would be re-regulation. I continue to thank whoever it was who deregulated this industry every time I see ridiculous fares for flights.

And yes, people are right, so long as the fares exist, people, even pilots, will go for the cheapest available. If the floor were to be raised, we'd still buy the tickets.
 
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Ticket prices go up, number of tickets sold goes down.

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Trip7 said:
But they outsource! They outsource to Amflight, Airnet, Mountain Air Cargo. Hell, those ATRs should be flown by Fedex pilots! I don't care if it has a prop.
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Well, not getting into this with you. . .but. . .

They outsource to provides who have the resources available to fly legs with appropriate equipment that the company does not currently utilize.
 
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dcramer16 said:
Do you believe it's the way to go?
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I don't have an educated opinion on this subject . . . there are senior people and others who have studied the industry more than me who would have a better perspective.
 
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1 contract for all ALPA carriers with the same pay rate and work rules for everyone under it. Adjusted for inflation @ 3% per year. That is the way to make pay go up. Not to mention if those payrates and work rules were better than the other carriers, other pilots would want to be represented by ALPA.

Or reign in scope.

Both won't happen.
 
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Hey Charlie,
There has been a movement to stop the practice of interns doing long turns on the floor during residency. I feel that a very important part of the discussion should highlight the fact that the least experienced of our 121 pilots are continually in the most accident prone part of the profile. TO Appr and Landgs.

I think our rest rules should be more stringent than the majors due to the fact that we have more t/o and approaches & landings per day than the majors.

I can handle it but some of these younger whiners can't:laff:
 
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Bumblebee said:
Hey Charlie,
There has been a movement to stop the practice of interns doing long turns on the floor during residency. I feel that a very important part of the discussion should highlight the fact that the least experienced of our 121 pilots are continually in the most accident prone part of the profile. TO Appr and Landgs.

I think our rest rules should be more stringent than the majors due to the fact that we have more t/o and approaches & landings per day than the majors.

I can handle it but some of these younger whiners can't:laff:
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A valid point. On the other hand, you just highlighted a key aspect of commercial flight training.

I think the repetitive, high workload scenarios in which we find ourselves and the 'atmosphere of fear' regarding fatigue and sick call occurrences need to be attended to.

I gotta go powernap now. I've got a hot date coming over, and frankly, if this doesn't go well, I'm going to drown in my own testosterone.
 
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Bumblebee said:
Hey Charlie,
There has been a movement to stop the practice of interns doing long turns on the floor during [p]residency.

I can handle it but some of these younger whiners can't:laff:
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For the record, first time I read this, I saw what's highlighted above.

I was all, dang, what's Monica and Bill up to this time?
 
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Firebird2XC said:
CNN found Airline Pilot Cental.

Hmm.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2009/05/15/am.carroll.pilot.pay.cnn


They compare Colgan's pay scales to Delta's.


Hmmmmm.
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Unfortunatly, the last line the repoter speaks says it all, "In order for pilot compensation to change it has to start with a strong recomendation from the NTSB, and the public has to get involved as well, and demand that pilots be paid more. " Does anybody think the public or the NTSB will really do this. I for one think it will never happen.
 
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While that would be great, it's not within the purview of the NTSB.

Besides, it's far more than rates, it's work rules as well.
 
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Bumblebee said:
I think our rest rules should be more stringent than the majors due to the fact that we have more t/o and approaches & landings per day than the majors.
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That is a pretty general statement. We fly just as many legs in the DC-9 as you do in the EMB and RJ.
 
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Buzo said:
That is a pretty general statement. We fly just as many legs in the DC-9 as you do in the EMB and RJ.
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You know I was thinking my comment was coming from a general perception, and not from facts I have in evidence. I think that SWA probably does more as well.

I stand corrected:)

Anybody do 8 legs?

Although we don't do that many as often as we used to.
 
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Firebird2XC said:
CNN found Airline Pilot Cental.

Hmm.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2009/05/15/am.carroll.pilot.pay.cnn


They compare Colgan's pay scales to Delta's.


Hmmmmm.
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If they want a comparison here's an excellent comparison. Colgan Q400 pay vs. Horizon Q400 pay. Folks, this is what the "up and out" mentality does to regional airline pay. I'm definitely guilty of this kind of thinking as well. Now that we're all stuck here for the next couple years, maybe that mentality will change aleast alittle.

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Note, a 2nd year Horizon Q FO makes more $7 more than a Colgan Q FO will ever make:eek:
 
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