CNN Video: Safety Rule Could Create Pilot Shortage

z987k said:
The HSI is even slaved to a compass, as opposed to the nav 1 on top of a free vacuum gyro DG that a lot of them have. It's pretty damn fancy.
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That's almost 1960s airliners style.

In all seriousness, I've never been happier than flying a big old twin /A, except I can't get into Home Base Municipal when the weather is bad without RNAV now.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
That's almost 1960s airliners style.

In all seriousness, I've never been happier than flying a big old twin /A, except I can't get into Home Base Municipal when the weather is bad without RNAV now.
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Yep, that's the deal. The airport today only has a gps approach anymore... so it's gps or nothing... er well there's always the shoot the ils 40 miles away, break out about 500', go out over the pacfic so you don't hit anything and get in that way.
 
Yeah... CNN's name title for mr sjs said Student Pilot, and he's taking up a passenger? Oh very macho attitude, and maybe some anti-authority? Im sure hes got his license but come on CNN, this is why i watch the Fair and Balanced channel ;) mark this post, predict 5 pg worth of political debate.


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I finally watched the video and those two gentlemen are going to have to get over their sense of entitlement pretty quickly.

There are no guarantees and no well-worn paths in this profession.

They need someone to mentor them that would help elucidate that the system that they're so aghast about was the "unwritten rule" a little more than a decade ago.

After college, unless you had 2,500 hours, to even fly right seat in a Navajo carrying passengers you would be laughed out of the hangar, so you kept on hustling as you built flight time and eventually the right opportunity would spring up.

But the concept of getting out of college and going direct into an airline where you're flying around 50 to 90 passengers in a jet is something is not the industry norm. It may become the industry norm as the pilot pool gets a little dry, I guess, but no one owes them a shiny jet after they leave Purdue. It doesn't matter if your friend Karl was able to do it a few years ago.

Make your own success.
 
z987k said:
Yep, that's the deal. The airport today only has a gps approach anymore... so it's gps or nothing... er well there's always the shoot the ils 40 miles away, break out about 500', go out over the pacfic so you don't hit anything and get in that way.
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Call me a wuss but I'll take the RNAV.
 
Derg said:
I finally watched the video and those two gentlemen are going to have to get over their sense of entitlement pretty quickly.

There are no guarantees and no well-worn paths in this profession.

They need someone to mentor them that would help elucidate that the system that they're so aghast about was the "unwritten rule" a little more than a decade ago.

After college, unless you had 2,500 hours, to even fly right seat in a Navajo carrying passengers you would be laughed out of the hangar, so you kept on hustling as you built flight time and eventually the right opportunity would spring up.

But the concept of getting out of college and going direct into an airline where you're flying around 50 to 90 passengers in a jet is something is not the industry norm. It may become the industry norm as the pilot pool gets a little dry, I guess, but no one owes them a shiny jet after they leave Purdue. It doesn't matter if your friend Karl was able to do it a few years ago.

Make your own success.
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They can do like a bunch of people I went to school with. Bitch and moan about how there's no jobs, and refuse to go look for one that's not for a 121 carrier(possibly only a 121 carrier in a certain part of the country), then when the 121 carriers hire a little, they're still at 3-400 hours and still unemployable. Continue to cry about how there's no jobs.
 
z987k said:
They can do like a bunch of people I went to school with. Bitch and moan about how there's no jobs, and refuse to go look for one that's not for a 121 carrier(possibly only a 121 carrier in a certain part of the country), then when the 121 carriers hire a little, they're still at 3-400 hours and still unemployable. Continue to cry about how there's no jobs.
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I saw the same thing at ERAU.

Hell, one of my friends married one of his classmates, now he's a captain at a major and she's still at 350 hours wanting to break into the industry.

"Nah, she doesn't want to instruct"

"Nah, she doesn't have the time for that"

"Nah"

"Nah"

"She's never do that"

"Nah!"

"But come on man, surely someone is hiring, aren't they?"

True story.
 
Derg said:
I saw the same thing at ERAU.

Hell, one of my friends married one of his classmates, now he's a captain at a major and she's still at 350 hours wanting to break into the industry.

"Nah, she doesn't want to instruct"

"Nah, she doesn't have the time for that"

"Nah"

"Nah"

"She's never do that"

"Nah!"

"But come on man, surely someone is hiring, aren't they?"

True story.
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Didn't you graduate in the 90's?
 
Derg said:
I saw the same thing at ERAU.

Hell, one of my friends married one of his classmates, now he's a captain at a major and she's still at 350 hours wanting to break into the industry.
"Nah, she doesn't want to instruct"
"Nah, she doesn't have the time for that"
"Nah"
"Nah"
"She's never do that"
"Nah!"
"But come on man, surely someone is hiring, aren't they?"

True story.
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The real sucker in this story is your friend. She's obviously not producing much in that household, but hey, why should she? He's a mainline captain. I'd wager she has a better grasp of the situation than he does.
 
z987k said:
They can do like a bunch of people I went to school with. Bitch and moan about how there's no jobs, and refuse to go look for one that's not for a 121 carrier(possibly only a 121 carrier in a certain part of the country), then when the 121 carriers hire a little, they're still at 3-400 hours and still unemployable. Continue to cry about how there's no jobs.
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A lot of it is my generation too. We want things handed to us on a silver platter and we want it NOW dammit!
 
UAL747400 said:
A lot of it is my generation too. We want things handed to us on a silver platter and we want it NOW dammit!
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BINGO! Ah there are still those who work hard, struggle, are humble and want to work from the bottom up because that's what they were told to do to earn experience and respect for themselves and job appreciation. It's the marketing world we live in that creates the empty promises that come with a hefty price tag. The consumer is responsible for the risk of purchase not the industry. Just read an article stating how so many college grads feel entitled to higher salaries because they went 6 deep in debt and can't find work suitable to pay for their lavish lifestyles they still want to maintain. Degrees are pushed hard, yet skills are lacking and the entitlement attitude marches on.

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Maurus said:
T-props do fly different but they know how train t-prop guys. There was a time when there was no thing as the "regional jet" and people seemed to do just fine. I agree glass time is kinda stupid. I have glass time and it just made the aircraft super easy to fly. FMSs these days can be downloaded on flight sim. They are actually extremely accurate to the real thing. Learning the FMS would not be hard.

People at AMF do have different goals like you said. That adds to the reason why we don't see much major airline movement. I know a bunch of guys that want to go to XOJet or find a good corporate gig. I would say it is safe to say most regional guys want to go to a major airline.

Some guys do bail to regionals. You could be a great candidate with freight and regional experience for a major. If you can take the pay cut you could be really helping your career. What boggles my mind are the people that leave that don't have their 1000 TPIC yet. It can easily take 5 years or more to upgrade at a regional.
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I've considered it, but I have a financial milestone that I set to reach by age 30(just gotta stop wasting money on cars! Why do I have to like cars???). After that, I'd consider it. I'm still on the fence as to where I want to go long term. There are some SWEET part 91 corporate jobs out there.
 
Higher education, as an industry, doesn't have very good truth-in-advertising practices either. I'm pretty sure the flight departments at the various universities are well aware of where their graduates are likely to work immediately after graduation (hint: they won't be wearing jet style uniforms with fancy wings and shoulderboards unless they are complete tools) and what they're likely to make.

I've always thought that it would be a good idea for ANY university to disclose its costs of attendance (with and without average student loan interest) as well as not just its four, five and six year completion rates, but the percentage of its graduates working in-field. The data is probably there, too, just not in any usable or publicly available format...for a pretty good reason.

UAL747400 said:
A lot of it is my generation too. We want things handed to us on a silver platter and we want it NOW dammit!
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I think you'll find that's not just anyone born after about 1986. Actually, I'd call most Americans lazy and entitled regardless of their age.

Douglas said:
Welcome to JC. Stick around, soak it up.
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Oh, yes, I knew I forgot something. Yeah! Welcome.
 
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